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RE: Comcast permanent block on port 25


in the us (in most areas) the local gov't institution holds great sway over
who gets the ISP rights.. you're mote than welcome to organize, to be able
to represent your views. it's called democracy...

but, given that you may not have multiple competitors for the ISP... the ISP
provider can still do pretty much whatever they choose as long as it's
legal. keep in mind, 20 years ago.. there wasn't an ISP and things still
worked pretty well!! and you always have the option of physically moving to
another state!!!

but stating that 'individual freedoms' are stepped on is completely stupid.
me getting stopped when i was a kid because i was black and accused of theft
simply because of my skin.. that's a situation where 'freedoms/rights' come
into play.. not the ISP issues you have regarding port issue...


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno Wolff III [mailto:bruno wolff to]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:57 PM
To: bruce
Cc: phil themeyerfarm com; 'Community assistance, encouragement, and
advice for using Fedora.'
Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:41:03 -0800,
  bruce <bedouglas earthlink net> wrote:
> check your Terms/Conditions of your ISP. you guys who think that anything
> that you want to do, and your ISP won't let you is somehow violating your
> rights are laughable.

If there was competition this would be true. But when you can't get real
internet access in an area for a reasonable price (and 3x the going rate
isn't reasonable), then it is true.

> your ISP is running a biz, with rules. I can go in a store and demand to
> a turkey for the price I want. I can't go tell the Best Buy, to give me
> TV, for the price I want. you can't force the ISP to give you the service
> you want, with the bells/whistles you want, for the price you want.

But in those cases there is competition that keeps the prices reasonable.

> you're more than welcome to attempt to raise the funds to start your own
> ISP...

And do what. The ILECs have been given a position that allows them to keep
competition out. Take a look what happened in Canada. Losing customers to
your competition because they aren't blocking things? Why just start
traffic on the lines you are reselling so that your competitors can only
provbide the same crappy service you want to provide.

> your 'rights' aren't being stepped on because your ISP won't allow you to
> what you want.

That view only makes sense when there are lots of ISPs with different rules
and rates. It doesn't apply where there is a duopoly that provides the same
crappy service to everyone and competitors need not apply.

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