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Re: Text rendering in FX3



Tim <ignored_mailbox yahoo com au> writes:

> On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 19:06 -0600, Marc Schwartz wrote:
>>   http://home.comcast.net/~marc_schwartz/FF2.png
>> 
>> You can see that the page looks just fine.
>> 
>> Here is the same page using FF 3.1 Beta 2, which I also DL'd from
>> Mozilla, just to be sure that the same behavior is still present. BTW,
>> this happens in 3.0.5, which was just released for F10 and is now the
>> default version on my system:
>> 
>>   http://home.comcast.net/~marc_schwartz/FF31B2-1.png
>> 
>> You can see the top of the page, where the left hand navigation column
>> is centered, pushing the other content below it. Here is a second
>> picture of the same page, scrolled down, so that you can see the
>> transition to the main content:
>> 
>>   http://home.comcast.net/~marc_schwartz/FF31B2-2.png
>
> This looks more like CSS issues (or JavaScript, if they're messing with
> JavaScript to style the page).  You might narrow your problem down by
> reloading the page with one or the other disabled, separately.
>
> But, for what it's worth, the site in the screengrab looks fine, loaded
> directly here on Firefox 3.0.4 on Fedora 9.  So I can't absolutely
> reason why it does that, from my side of the fence.  However...
>
> Font sizing often has peculiar effects on page layout.  The authors
> wrote the page using a particular size (either specified on their pages,
> or set in their browsers), and it worked fine, for them.  But someone
> else with a different font size (because they set their browser
> configuration differently, or their X resolution and scaling of fonts
> changed the proportions of things) may see page layouts move about in
> odd ways.
>
> The most common one is things wrapping oddly (e.g. like Marcelos's
> example page from the Brazil website - set your browser with midget
> fonts favoured by many designers, and it might work as expected; if your
> fonts were originally too big to be seen properly in a text gadget,
> that's a strong indication of that cause and reason).  And CSS
> repositioned objects (e.g. floats) can move places radically, from where
> the designer expected them to land, as the browser tries to fit them in
> to available/calculated space.
>
> The above issues generally coming about where ignorant web authors have
> tried to fix the layout of a page, against the design philosophy of
> webpages, with disregard for everyone's browsers not being all the same.
> HTML+CSS is not a page layout system (in the way that print publishing
> is), and things fall apart when stupid design assumptions are made.

Tim,

Thanks for your comments.

See my reply to Marcelo on this, where I respond to the current state of
things and the impact of disabling JS on the CW page.

Thanks,

Marc


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