java again really

[Les Mikesell]

Craig White wrote:

>> Like I said before, I haven't installed a fedora since FC6 - but until 
>> recently I thought I was just waiting for the outside resources I need 
>> to catch up.  CentOS is fine, but unlike the commercial RHEL version 
>> that actually solves the fedora-specific problem that spawned this whole 
>> thread, CentOS does not supply a copy of Sun java.
> ----
> Not a fedora issue, but it was quite simple to install Sun's java on
> CentOS-5

It's not impossible. But the whole repository of jpackage'd java 
programs was available under centos-4, and isn't for centos-5.

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>>> I give up
>> Does that mean you actually like a distribution that doesn't work out of 
>> the box and is actively working to reduce it's cooperation with the 
>> outside resources that supply the things it needs to work?  I don't see 
>> much choice but to change to Ubuntu or one of the others as soon as I 
>> become paranoid about the end of security updates on my FC6 boxes. 
>> There's just a lot of baggage related to installation and administration 
>> tools that goes with a distribution switch and I hate to give up what 
>> I've learned from experience back to RH4.x versions.
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> since updates are indeed toast on FC6, I have to presume that what you
> are referring to is probably K12LTSP (derived from FC6) and given the
> current state of LTSP development, you are probably migrating to Ubuntu
> anyway so I am sort of wondering if you aren't just putting out straw
> man arguments here.

I don't really rely on ltsp, but now that you mention it, I have always 
installed k12ltsp instead of stock fedora for its other usability 
features.  It is always a respin that includes the current updates at 
the time of its release, and it includes push-button scripted installs 
for an assortment of needed programs that the distribution omits (flash, 
MS fonts, java, webmin, etc.).

> If you aren't running F7 or F8, any point you might
> have regarding usage of java (Sun or otherwise) on F7 or F8 is
> irrelevant.

But that is the point of why I'm not running them.

> Peter's assertion is surely clear enough, that Fedora does have
> community participation and you can join the development group to help
> guide the packaging, at least to become involved in the process but
> clearly you want this ability without the commitment. Some people choose
> to curse the darkness and some choose to light candles.

I'm not interested in helping a distribution become self-contained and a 
limited subset of what it could be if it simply cooperated with 
independent 3rd parties.

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   Les Mikesell
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