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Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 23:57 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > I'm afraid you've lost me completely. I
> > don't understand how you can
> > put this interpretation my comment.
> > 
> No you did not lose me, firefox did :(  I understand what is going on,
> Why did we not know ahead of time that they might pull this kind of
> trick.  I was told that we do not need to click anywhere to accept a
> license, that software provided is here for us, but we need not accept
> any license(s) imposed, 

Have you installed and used FF 2 via rpm? On Fedora I recall clicking on
a licence agreement on first run. IIRC this is not new (the services
part is, see below).

> This came out as soon as firefox 3.0 was released
> http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/
> which points to the license
> http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/website-services-agreement.html
> indirecty we have to accept or disable the "services".

1) The "services" aren't the browser and thus are in no way involved
with the freeness of the software, and 2) if you disagree then simply
disable them.

> The accompanying version of Mozilla Firefox utilizes website
> information services ("Services"), such as safe-browsing features,
> which are provided by the Mozilla Corporation and made available to
> you under additional terms. By using the Services, you consent to the
> terms of the referenced Mozilla Firefox Website Services Agreement. If
> you do not agree to these terms, do not use the Services and disable
> the Services in Edit > Preferences > Security and uncheck the options
> for both: "Tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected attack
> site" and "Tell me if the site I'm visiting is a suspected forgery".
> We did not need to do this before.

You didn't need to because FF 2 didn't have these facilities. They are
new in FF 3.

>  This is all and it is simple, right.  But that does not mean that
> they do not have any trackware/spyware added?  Are there other things
> that we need to look out for?

If you are worried then download the source and look at it. Rebuild it
if you want. That's the ultimate guarantee of free software.

> I am just concerned now that somehow they are imposing their will on
> us and flexing their muscle.  
> * To those that also use Ubuntu,  Did firefox do the same thing on
> Ubuntu? or did it just happen here?

I installed FF 3 on Ubuntu yesterday and can't honestly remember.

> I see this with new AVG 8.0 Free Edition that it adds a Toolbar and it
> tries to tell you which sites are safe/not safe.  That is the price to
> pay if you do not want to pay $$ to Avg to protect you, you can get
> the product, but you will have to help out in a way or another.  

What has this got to do with FF? Is AVG free software (i.e. libre, not
just gratis)? BTW your mention of Opera earlier on is also off base.
Opera is gratis but not libre.

> Now the same can be said of firefox.  You can tell firefox, which
> sites are safe and which ones are not, google collects some data about
> which sites you visit and ..., this is the part that makes me
> concerned.  Otherwise, I would not have responded or asked in the
> first place.  We have to read carefully and the fine print that is
> also hard to read.   

Once again, if this worries you then disable it. At least Mozilla
clearly states up front what is involved, which cannot be said for a lot
of other crapware out there.


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