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Re: F10 rpm of grub2 completely broken

On 12/14/2009 10:30 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:11:25 -0500,
   Gene Heskett<gene heskett verizon net>  wrote:

Your treatment of redhat/fedora users with over a decade of use has finally
reached the quitting point.  You refuse to fix openssh, hoping that would
force me to install F12, and when I do and have problems, its go pound sand.

F10 has a clear cutoff date for support that has now passed. If you really want
an upgraded openssh for your system, try grabbing the src rpm from F11 and
building it on your F10 system. This will probably work and should take you
about an hour to do with some futzing but no roadblocks.

Well said, Bruno.

Gene, you've been involved with Fedora long enough to know that support
for a given version ends a few months after the release of the second
follow-on version (F8 support ended a few months after F10, F9 after F11 and so on). This has been the case for a LONG time so it should
have come as no surprise to you.

The Fedora Legacy project was originally created to support old Fedora
releases but died due to lack of interest and/or resources.  I'm sure
you could revive it if you wanted to and many, many people would be
eternally grateful.  You must keep in mind that a lot of newer packages
use later libraries and such with different so numbers and there's a
hell of a lot of backporting you'd need to do to manage things.
Without a large staff or copious amounts of free time, I would imagine
that this would be an exceedingly daunting task to take on.

For example, I run a PCI-compliant company. When we have a security scan the validation companies often simply look at the SSL version
strings and flag them as having vulnerabilities, when in fact the SSL
fixes from later versions have been backported into the ones I use.  I
can't use the newer SSL libs because the so number increase breaks a
lot of precompiled code and I don't have the time to rebuild half the
system to accommodate it.  This is but one example of the kind of stuff
you'd have to deal with if you want to revive Fedora Legacy.

If anyone needs long-term stability and/or support, they need RHEL or
CentOS; or perhaps Ubuntu or even SuSE.  Fedora is, by definition,
bleeding edge stuff and a moving target as well.  There comes a time
when one must cut the strings and move on to the next release or
everything stagnates.  RHEL/CentOS 5 is still stuck with a 2.6.18
kernel, for example, while F11 has a 2.6.30 kernel and F12 uses
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