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Re: F10 rpm of grub2 completely broken

On Monday 14 December 2009, Rick Stevens wrote:
>On 12/14/2009 10:30 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:11:25 -0500,
>>    Gene Heskett<gene heskett verizon net>  wrote:
>>> Your treatment of redhat/fedora users with over a decade of use has
>>> finally reached the quitting point.  You refuse to fix openssh, hoping
>>> that would force me to install F12, and when I do and have problems, its
>>> go pound sand.
>> F10 has a clear cutoff date for support that has now passed. If you
>> really want an upgraded openssh for your system, try grabbing the src rpm
>> from F11 and building it on your F10 system. This will probably work and
>> should take you about an hour to do with some futzing but no roadblocks.
>Well said, Bruno.
>Gene, you've been involved with Fedora long enough to know that support
>for a given version ends a few months after the release of the second
>follow-on version (F8 support ended a few months after F10, F9 after F11
>and so on).  This has been the case for a LONG time so it should
>have come as no surprise to you.
>The Fedora Legacy project was originally created to support old Fedora
>releases but died due to lack of interest and/or resources.  I'm sure
>you could revive it if you wanted to and many, many people would be
>eternally grateful.  You must keep in mind that a lot of newer packages
>use later libraries and such with different so numbers and there's a
>hell of a lot of backporting you'd need to do to manage things.
>Without a large staff or copious amounts of free time, I would imagine
>that this would be an exceedingly daunting task to take on.
>For example, I run a PCI-compliant company.  When we have a security
>scan the validation companies often simply look at the SSL version
>strings and flag them as having vulnerabilities, when in fact the SSL
>fixes from later versions have been backported into the ones I use.  I
>can't use the newer SSL libs because the so number increase breaks a
>lot of precompiled code and I don't have the time to rebuild half the
>system to accommodate it.  This is but one example of the kind of stuff
>you'd have to deal with if you want to revive Fedora Legacy.
>If anyone needs long-term stability and/or support, they need RHEL or
>CentOS; or perhaps Ubuntu or even SuSE.  Fedora is, by definition,
>bleeding edge stuff and a moving target as well.  There comes a time
>when one must cut the strings and move on to the next release or
>everything stagnates.  RHEL/CentOS 5 is still stuck with a 2.6.18
>kernel, for example, while F11 has a 2.6.30 kernel and F12 uses
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And I've been using 2.6.32, built for my hardware, since about an hour after 
the announcement...  And I build a new amanda snapshot and install it several 
times a week, so I'm used to things that don't always work, but they are 

Rick, I am not allergic to moving on, but the 64 bit F12 I installed was a 
snail on downers.  And my messages were ignored for the most part.

Your F10 grub2 is broken beyond repair also, and I needed it to work so I 
could try some other distro's that do use grub2 to boot with.

The Mint 8 version of grub-mkconfig almost gets it right, foo=bar'ing some 
(hdx,x) statements in the initrd lines it outputs, these are easily fixable 
with any editor.

But because the changes you made to the code have a vendor lock in flavor to 
them, its just some more of that yellow liquid in my cheerio's.

Cheers, Gene
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