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Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

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From: Mark Haney <mhaney ercbroadband org>
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. <fedora-list redhat com>
Date: 02/10/2009 03:21 PM

Now, I'm done with this thread.

OK, great. Maybe we can speak to you now.

Yes, it's a beast for me, too. Fedora builds FF with Pango support. Try disabling Pango in the /usr/bin/firefox script and see if it makes any difference for you (sometimes it does for me). MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO

Rolling Updates
Think about this for a second. Rolling updates work -- if you have the infrastructure for it. Fedora was based on Red Hat. Red Hat was supporting a corporate mindset of version numbers on operating systems. The mindset you speak of is without version numbers. You can never slap a version number on a rolling update distribution.

In reality, for rolling updates, you need a QA staff to make sure nothing breaks. For Gentoo, Debian, and friends, they rely on keeping "stable" levels of software that are often multiple versions behind upstream. Fedora doesn't want to wait that long (cue "bleeding-edge" mantra). However!!! Fedora is actively gaining a refined and better QA team and QA system.

This brings me to my point:
While Fedora gains new features, it also gains more flexibility. PackageKit and friends technically allow rolling update functionality in Fedora. This flexibility can also be seen on the Red Hat side with their "Satellite" software package. We [Fedora] can now provide updates of any multitude to people with or without Internet access. This is a HUGE step up from the Fedora 1 through Fedora 6 days.

Before Fedora gets to Fedora 15, 16, 17, etc... I think you should be actively pushing for a rolling update feature. Every release bring it up with FESco. Start a blog, website, etc. http://www.fedora-rolling-updates.org/ or whatever fits your fancy.

I can see one day that we rid ourselves of a distribution versioning scheme. It's old, it's obsolete, and it's does more harm than good. You must get the right people to see this or else it will just be a pipe dream.

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