Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Mister mikkel,JD wrote:I understand Mike Chalmers frustration with the release frequency. No one is actually forced to re-install a new release. The support cycle for each release extends to about 18 months. I am however in agreement with Mike's basic proposal: that given ANY fedora installation, there should be an easy and seemless way to continually update all the packages, and the kernel without having to re-install. I think this is the general weakness of all linux distros. While many will issue numerous reasons why this is not possible, due to the domino effect of dependencies, I think that the manner of how the dependencies are set up needs to be altered so that none of the packages (including the kernel) have any OS release version in the dependency (such as foo-1.2.3.fc8....etc). The dependencies and the packages should dump the 'fc??' (and here I am referring not only to fedora but to all distros as well) and depend solely on the package version and architecture. Some may argue that this will wreak havoc with people installing such packages on non-fedora distros when installed by inexpert users. To that we need to say that even this dependency ought to be erased. Let the system updater (such as yum) take care and resolve the dependency issue. What I am driving at is that there really OUGHT to be just one LINUX and all packages out to be built for just ONE LINUX. Let the distros distinguish themselves by their logos, initial installation UI bells and whistles and the desktop backgrounds, even by unique user tools. But the rest of the open source packages from the topmost application to the kernel ought to be for just ONE LINUX! Many people using linux today have absolutely no recollection of why Microsoft eclipsed Unix. All unix vendors had their proprietary Unixes, and they were not compatible. Major customers, especially the government (where the big bucks come from) decided to dump all these non-compatible unix systems in favor of windows on every desktop and most server installations. Incompatibilty and interoperability issues went out the window (pun not intended). So, who are the big commercial Unix vendors today? Arguably Sun Microsystems' Solaris, and IBM's AIX. But we all know what has happenned to the installed base of Solaris and AIX. It has shrunk drastically and continues to do so. Ever wondered why IBM jumped on the Linux bandwagon? I think Linux is repeating the mistakes of unix, and I can see the writing on the wall. Linux will eventually kill itself and become a mere novelty for a very minority number of worlwide users. Microsoft need not complain nor worry about Linux contiuing to steal customers. Microsoft COULD encourage divergent distros of Linux just to speed up the process of creating all these incompatible distros and it will win the battle. The Borg will indeed reign supreme. Hello Linus - I hope you wake up and smell the Borg :)Are you a troll for Microsoft, or are you missing the hole point of Linux? There should NOT be just one distribution of Linux. One of the strong points of Linux is that it is not "One size fits all" - you pick the distribution that comes closest to your needs, and then fine tune it to your needs. This is one reason Linux is gaining market share - you don't have to adapt to the OS - the OS adapts to you. As far as distributions being incompatible with each other, for the most part, this just isn't true. With the exception of some version conflicts, they can all run the same software. There are packaging differences between distributions, but even that is not that wide spread. There are options to take care of that as well. There are converters between packaging types. And if all else fails, you can build your own package from the source. Where you can run into problems is when you are back porting a package to a distribution that is using older libraries. In that case, it usually works better to start from the source instead of trying to shoehorn in binary package... As far as UNIX losing its market share, it is mainly do to 2 factors. The first is that the market grew, and most of the growth was in PCs that could not run the existing versions of UNIX. The different UNIX distributions were designed to run on mainframes and mini-computers. Until the 386 machines, the memory management was not there in Intel CPUs. Now the different Linux distributions are filling the need for UNIX on PCs. Linux fist made inroads in the server market. It is expanding into other markets all the time. It is interesting to see how many supercomputers are clusters of Linux machines. It is also expanding into the small end of the spectrum with embedded systems. The most interesting part of all this is that Linux distributions do not really have a marketing department. There are companies offering services for people that want to deploy Linux. REdHat is probably one of the best known of these. But there a lot of small shops that will customize open source software to better meet the needs of your company. It is a different model of making money off of software. Mikkel
So, the very first statement you made is calling me a troll for MS.
It is fitting that you call people names. It exposes your mental capacities.
I have been a unix user since the early 70's. Were you even born then?
I have worked on the old unix version 7 kernel, the BSD kernel, the SVR4 kernel,
the Solaris Kernel and the AIX kernel (not necessarily in that order).
Perhaps at the time I was doing all this,
you were in.... kindergarten???? or grade school? or high school?
I saw the horrific problems companies were having with software packages that
would only run on some particular brand of unix, but not on others - so there
were multi brands of linux installations that required different people with
different expertise to update, manage and administer and secure.
At government installations, the picture was much much worse.
What made unix successful became it's own demise.
I think the same is happening to Linux. It's success is breeding incompatibilities
between the various distros, and that will kill it's possibility of taking the lead
Real success should not be measured by how many different
candy flavors the kids can sample linux in. Real success is when more than 50% of
the private corps and all the gov offices adopt just ONE LINUX. That's when MS will
really panic and resort to nasty behavior - similar to (but far nastier than)
your first statement in your reply to me.