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Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 16:40 -0500, Mark Haney wrote:
> Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Craig White wrote:
> > 
> >> many experienced Linux users are so accustomed to becoming superuser for
> >> every thing that efforts to empower userland and lessen the need to
> >> become superuser seem to be of little value to them.
> > 
> > I don't understand this.
> > Surely one didn't normally need to become superuser
> > with the old Network service?
wanna bet?

You can't do didly squat as user with '/etc/init.d/network', ifup,
ifdown, /sbin/route unless you can either su or sudo.
> > I'm not arguing in favour of the old service,
> > which did not work well for me -
> > NM works much better (now),
> > but personally I wish WiFi came on line before login.
but if WiFi came on line before login, WiFi would have to run as root
because 'user' has yet to login. That's surely possible but you have to
manually configure things and not use NM
> And I'm quite sure you aren't the only one besides me that feels that way.
> I'm still waiting on someone to give me a good rational reason why this
> change was made.  If I get one that makes sense, then I might shut up
> about this, otherwise, to me NM is just re-inventing the wheel to no
> purpose.
and that's been discussed on this list many, many, many times since I
think it was Jim Wilkinson started playing with this concept of
NetworkManager and userland.

There is no 're-invention' of any wheel. Only the desire to move more
things away from requiring root level control into the user space so
users can go from wireless lan to wired lan to wireless lan and remain
users. It allows corporate systems to go out the door where the actual
users don't have to know root password or become superuser to actually
use the computer. 

This pretty much tracks with the way things have been headed with
Windows and Macintosh systems too...where the wireless (and wired for
that matter) connections are made by users that might not have access to
superuser passwords/privileges and don't come up until after you log in
as the user.

It really is no different than what has happened with 'removable'
storage items like USB disks.


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