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Re: ipod's (or other mp3 players) and Fedora

Yes I agree. Apple is definitely hostile to Linux users.

The company also forces Windows users to jump through some pretty major
hoops in order to copy the music on their iTunes to a new computer. They
make it exceedingly painful. I did back up an old iTunes database to 37
CDs and the customer I did this for succeeded in copying the music to
her new computer, flipping CD after CD in the drive. When you use iTunes
to back up a database to a CD, it gives you no feedback on whether the
CD appeared to be written okay. And the customer had to go through some
hoops to migrate those songs successfully and lost all her playlists in
the process. Apple makes iTunes databases as close to impossible to move
to another computer as it possibly can.


Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> I have Fedora 10 x86_64 running as my main (only) OS on my laptop I
>> travel with. I'd like to get an ipod or similar device.
>> I've heard a few things about ipod's - can anyone verify if this is
>> true:
>> - that a new ipod has to be 'formatted' on a mac or windows box
>>   before use
> I don't think that this is required, but I honestly have not setup a
> new iPod on Fedora recently.  So don't take my word for that.
>> - that the ipod database is somehow hashed so only itunes can write
>>   to it
> This is true.  Starting with the iPod Classic and the video Nano's,
> there is a hash required to be written for the iPod to read the
> database.  This hash was reverse engineered fairly quickly and the
> iPod apps in Fedora can write it.  (This requires a little manual
> setup for the current libgpod, which is used by amarok, rhythmbox,
> gtkpod, and several others, notably not including banshee.  I hope to
> fix this up and push an update for F-9 and F-10 sometime soon though.)
> Newer iPhone's and iPod Touch models with firmware 2.x and above have
> yet another hashing scheme.  That one has not been reversed engineered
> yet, so those devices do not work with linux yet.
> It's fairly clear that while Apple makes some nice hardware, they are
> quite hostile to linux users with the games they've played.  I'd look
> closely at alternative hardware if I were in the market.  The sad fact
> is that a lot of other hardware out there still sucks. :)
>> Also I'm looking for any suggestions per mp3 players (or ipods) that
>> play nice with linux (Fedora 10) and what tools you'all are using to
>> move your music around.
> My brother got a Sansa Fuze recently.  I added files to it by just
> copying them to the device, which was automatically mounted by Fedora
> when I plugged it in.  They seem like nice little devices.  I haven't
> played with it much though.

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