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Re: Package Manager Denies Permission to Install




>> No nuanced and masterfully persuasive oratory can disguise the fact that
>> >>    someone has made *and enforced* a decision that *they know better
>> >> than the user* how "THINGS MUST BE DONE" purely because the doing, is
>> >> considered to be 'not best practice'.
>> >>
>> >> In this particular case, the 'best practice' enforcement approaches
>> >> religious fervour in its application. In the particular instance which >> >> started this thread, PolicyKit nags about being root, and then *refuses*
>> >> to allow the installation of an rpm! It does not deny the right to
>> >> download and install the rpm in a console....It just denies the user the
>> >> advantages of using PackageManager to resolve dependenices directly.
>> >>
>> >> And *exactly* what nuanced extra is added to the equation, by forcing
>> >> the administrator to log out of root, to log in as a user, to do the
>> >> same thing? Especially in a circumstance where the install is actually
>> >> desired to be general and not user-local? This position is idiocy.
>> >>
>> >> I don't mind a nag. I DO mind unknown and unaccountable people
>> >> attempting to enforce their quasi-religious beliefs on me (by
>> >> quasi-religious, I mean the attitude which equates doing anything while
>> >> root is akin to giving booze and car-keys to seventeen year old boys:
>> >> instantly and always catastrophically dangerous.) I know using root can
>> >> increase the probability of disaster. But I want to be able to decide
>> >> what the limits of my risk tolerance are, not have someone else do it.
>> >>
>> >> That argument, the libertarian argumnent is one of the underlying bases >> >> of the free software movement. Let's have it recognized and venerated in
>> >> the code!
>> >>
>> >> Geoff
> > My memory is that the designer of PackageManager indicated on the list
> > that running PackageManager as root has security problems that running
> > it as a user and entering the root password does not have. I believed
> > him. Your objection is that it makes you log as a user rather than as
> > root.
> >
> > I believe in the theory that "freedom" derives from the words free doom
> > indicating that everyone has a right to commit suicide in his (or her)
> > own way. I strongly support your committing suicide in any way you
> > desire.
> >
> > Aaron Konstam

>I would like to know why the developer of PackageManager makes a
>distinction between a root and a user login? Cut out extraneous code.
>Make any user enter the root password.
> Kam Leo

That works for me. I don't object to entering my root password to do something. I do object to being told that in effect I don't own my own box and I therefore cannot do something as root. But I do own the box. And if I break it, I will have to fix it.

Someone previously noted that I should fix the code. I would do that, if there were any reasonable prospect that my patch would be applied to the code base. And since there is no such reasonable prospect, I am not going to waste my time doing that.
Geoff




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