fedora "consumer satisfaction" statistics

[Fennix]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Antonio Olivares
<olivares14031 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> <snip>
>
> The word blog has been mentioned many times before, has it made a
> difference?
>
> IMHO,
> people have the right to rant/bitch/moan/groan/.../etc
>
> They should have added that to mail name:
>
> instead of
>
> "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <
> fedora-list at redhat.com>
>
> Have this:
>
> "Community ranting/bitching/moaning/groaning about Fedora." <
> fedora-list at redhat.com>
>
> We see many messages that are interesting, and there sometimes is no way
> that we can help/advice (WE DON"T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS, pulseaudio works, I
> can play CD's, WMV play fine, I have mplayer, gnome-mplayer,
> gecko-mediaplayer, .., etc)
>
> I don't update (except kernels), and believe me here Fedora has dropped the
> ball on this one(Regular Fedora and *NOT* Rawhide).  I luckily have
> computers that let most things JUST WORK(TM).
>
> As far as BUGS GO, there are 321 bugs open?
>
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=446451&hide_resolved=1
>
> Shows 321 bugs open bugs blocking the Fedora 11 target bug.  What should be
> done with these bugs?
>
> KDE 4.X has come along nicely, (Thanks to many like Rex and Kevin(yes even
> though you hate nvdia crap :) ) things have improved and getting better and
> better.
>
> There are many configurations and customizations that a default
> installation does not work for everybody and as such people have problems
> with pulseaudio, rythmbox, ..., etc.  Things were working, but an update or
> group of updates broke it?  Is it the users fault for applying the updates,
> NO.  Is the users fault that while applying updates, things break, NO.
>  People write here for help, and sometimes get it and sometimes they need to
> write again because people might not know the answer or it is just a trivial
> solution.
>
> Anyhow, about the statistics, people have suggested a Web SURVEY, the idea
> has been knocked out several times.  There is also SMOLT and (not everybody
> might send in their profile, why? because the card is not supported, module
> is not in kernel, network encrypted/not enabled, modem is a winmodem and
> needs drivers to connet), etc.
>
> There lies, damn lies and statistics.  What are statistics good for?
> I wish I could help everyone get rid of their troubles and make Fedora the
> best distribution out there, but it is hard to do and that might not be the
> goal of Fedora after all?  Many people would like for it to be, but it is
> not and maybe one day things might change, but maybe not?
>
> my $0.02
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
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Dear all,
I will first say that once Fedora 11 is installed and some problems fixed
that it is one of the best releases that I have seen so far!!  Nothing like
my difficult experience with Fedora 9....  I first started with Redhat
4.1(?) and permenantly switched to Linux with FC2.  Usually releases are a
little difficult in the beginning and then stablizing after 2 to 3 months
have passed...then when reaching 6 months the process starts over again with
the new "latest" release.
I should imagine that the majority of the Fedora users are "reasonabley
happy" and are using Fedora to get early releases of the latest software
versions  They do understand and accept that the ride will not be completely
smooth.  I do believe that the majority of the members of this list are
silent (for various personal reasons) and only speak out when they have, to
their thinking, a majour problem.  On my early days this list (5+ years
ago?) I joined and then attempted contributing.  I was shot down by several
list members with regards to email format issues that I then used and was
given no help or explanation with their regards to the meaning of their
complaints (though I did not recieve any criticism to the content of my
messages).  After that I found it simpler to not say anything (not
understanding, then, the meaning of the complaints).
Often, I find, that if I do have a problem then others also should see the
same. If I am patient then most times I should soon see another to complain
of a similar problem, followed by the "usual replies of "why did you not
google "x+y+z" tp solve your problem" or other criticisms of ingnorance and
then someone will offer usefull experience and advice to point to the right
direction which is "genuinely" useful to those of us experiencing the
problem.
When composing this reply to this topic I saw a more recent email about
solving the sound issues in Fedora 11 using gst-mixer to reset PCM from
0....  This is a case in point.  For me sound has not worked right in Fedora
10 and then obviously the problem was my PCM channel but no obvious way to
see how to fix (but I could live with this) as all else worked well.  I did
use the pre-upgrade process to change to Fedora 11 (My DVD burner suddenly
stopped recognizing blank DVD media just prior to the release of Fedora 11
so I was unable to burn my DVD ISO that I had downloaded). I had decided to
continue to use Fedora 10 for the time being but then was getting messages
that a new Fedora version was available from the auto-update applet...so
tried this and after several failures did eventually succeed in upgrading
(with similar issues to other complaints on this list but it did work after
a number of tries).  Of course I had the hold-over sound problem due to some
config file setting outside of my experience/knowledge to identify from
Fedora 10.  it does seem that some are complaining about Fedora 11 due to
attempting to using pre-upgrade but the problem there is not Fedora 11 but
in the pre-upgrade program.
I do appologise to thse who will label this as a "blog" style post....I do
hope that something here is usefull to the members of this list.
Yours,
Fennix
PS:  ...Have now run GST-mixer and my line-in and master-front channels were
found to be set to 0 (seems this in the end was an ALSA problem and not
pulseaudio as many have suggested here).  Case in point....patience and the
"right advice" will be eventually be offered to solve a particular question.
 My sound now finally works (after 8 months)!  Here I do have the Intel 7+1
audio setup and my main output channel produced nothing since installing
Fedora 10  (It had worked with the pre-release of Fedora 10 but then I found
I had a network issue requiring a clean install from the Fedora 10 release
DVD to fix.  Only using another output channel I could get any sound but no
real volume.)
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