Package EVR problems in FC+FE 2006-12-02

[Axel Thimm]

On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 06:08:06AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > > > > > FWIW the smart build fails on KDE not liking the newest
> > > > > > autoconf:
> > > 
> > > This a stupid and broken script in smart's source
> > > (contrib/ksmarttray/admin/cvs.sh).
> > > 
> > > Either fix this script, kickass upstream to fix it or abandon
> > > ksmarttray.
> > 
> > This script is an old copy from kde's sdk, it's no invention from
> > smart.
> > 
> > In fact this shows that pregenerating files (in this case by
> > copying a static version over) can be more harmful than generating
> > in %build.
> 
> BS. 

Please Ralf, you're getting off track with your choice of language,
why?

> This freaking script is trying to dynamically generate a auto*
> *source* files and badly stumbles over its feet, because
> 
> a) its buggy (The version checks are completely non-functional)
> b) they are abusing the autotools

Great, this is a script from kdesdk, so try complaining to
upstream, e.g. kde developers. smart is just a consumer.

> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why can't you simply run autofoo on a FC-6 machine, create a patch,
> > > > > bzip2 it and import it to the look aside cache and then use it as %patch
> > > > > from the spec file? That what several people recommend on different
> > > > > fedora-lists in the past, as they say "it's bad to run autofoo in a spec
> > > > > file".
> > > > 
> > > > You end up with undeterministic builds that fail only
> > > > sometimes. 
> > > >
> > > > That's because if master and generated files are changed at
> > > > the same time, e.g. through a patch, then make may consider the
> > > > generated files not to be newer that the master and will try to
> > > > regenerate nonetheless.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, Axel, this is nonsense.
> > 
> > Really? Try in an arbitray project
> > 
> > touch configure.ac configure
> > and then watch how make will try to regenerate configure.
> 
> C'mon, you really should know better.

So could be said of you. I'd prefer arguments instead of hand waving,
though. The issue stands: If you patch master and generated files and
their dependency is cast in always enabled Makefile rules you lose.

> > That will redefine your perception of "nonsense" ;)

> Nope, you are spreading FUD.

Well, have it as you like. People that have done packaging which
involved patching configure and configure.ac will know that this is
reality and no FUD at all.

But foremost, please stop using words like "nonsense", "BS" and the
like, let's keep it attribute-free, OK?
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
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