From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 3 15:39:46 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:39:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Long-term plan for Fedora logo usage In-Reply-To: <43AFE7C6.8030304@redhat.com> References: <43AFD784.9000405@lm2.com.br> <43AFDE79.80000@gmail.com> <43AFE3BB.9030702@gmail.com> <43AFE7C6.8030304@redhat.com> Message-ID: This thread gives me an opportunity to let everyone in on the long-term strategy for Fedora logo usage. In the short term, I am the gate for Fedora logo requests. I've just returned from holiday, and I'll be authorizing logo usage requests myself later today. I'll also be noting the general patterns of WHY people are requesting usage, gathering instances of "typical cases." Once I've got a good sample, I'll take these "typical cases" to counsel, and we'll build a clickthru usage policy. People will be able to read a set of very basic guidelines, agree to them, give us contact information, and then they will be granted logo images and permission automatically. Should take no more than a couple of months. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > >> > > I think that the problem is that Use of the Fedora Logo needs to be > > 'authorised'. Of Course, people are allowed to sell `Fedora Core` for > > as much as they want (as long as they do not violate GPL). > > No. We dont need to authorize each and every instance. We can setup > guidelines just like we have the trademark guidelines and ask anyone who > wants to redistribute Fedora CD's and use the logos to go through these > guidelines and follow them. The current guidelines available > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Logo are *temporary*. > > > > > But how much money are we really going to get out of them? > > > We dont really need money from anyone who merely redistributes Fedora > without any modifications as long as they follow the very reasonable > guidelines put forward. We can request them to contribute to Fedora > Foundation (remember its a non-profit and the amount can only used for > Fedora) say a fixed percentage of sales returns in exchange for vendor > listings and joint promotions perhaps but thats not absolutely necessary > if they want to just do things on their own. > > > -- > Rahul > > Learn. Network. Experience open source. > Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 > Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 3 16:21:05 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <1135871876.4595.23.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> <1135870765.31955.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1135871876.4595.23.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: More along this line of discussion: We did take the decision to nix the color schemes. I'm now, in retrospect, not sure how well this was communicated -- evidently not well enough -- so forgive me for that. In related news: we have commissioned a free font for use with Fedora. I don't want to go into too many details on this yet -- I want to make sure that we've got good stuff before I shoot my mouth off too much -- but I see this font being used extensively in conjunction with the logo treatment. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 10:39 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 06:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Alex Maier wrote: > > > > > > >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? > > > > > > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. > > > > I remember a discussion about this long ago, but no ultimate decision. > > In any case, here's my vote for no color extensions. At one time I dug > > this idea, but after more careful consideration, I think they're > > distracting and interfere with the unity of the project. The blue color > > is a distinctive thematic element, and I think swapping it for every > > subproject is a mistake. > > > > Simply changing a name that appears under the word "fedora" would be a > > better idea. I think trying to incorporate some additional graphic > > element referencing the subproject name is probably also a bad move, > > because it would make the resulting amalgam too busy. > > > > I have to agree with Paul on this, also finding enough colors that are > complementary to the blue theme will get difficult and confusing as > projects are added. > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > Fedora Ambassador > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen > http://scalug.us/ > http://fedoraunity.org/ > http://fedoralinks.org/ > http://fedorasolved.org/ > http://fedoramobile.org/ > http://fedora64.org/ > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mmunoz at capstrat.com Tue Jan 3 16:29:41 2006 From: mmunoz at capstrat.com (Matt Munoz) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:29:41 -0500 Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> <1135870765.31955.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1135871876.4595.23.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <3255B28C-7189-4477-A6E3-1C3EE22656CA@capstrat.com> any news on type progress yet? ??? Matthew Mu?oz | Capstrat | 919-882-1975 On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > More along this line of discussion: > > We did take the decision to nix the color schemes. I'm now, in > retrospect, not sure how well this was communicated -- evidently > not well > enough -- so forgive me for that. > > In related news: we have commissioned a free font for use with > Fedora. I > don't want to go into too many details on this yet -- I want to > make sure > that we've got good stuff before I shoot my mouth off too much -- > but I > see this font being used extensively in conjunction with the logo > treatment. > > --g > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > >> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 10:39 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 06:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>> Alex Maier wrote: >>>> >>>>> Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? >>>>> >>>> I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. >>> >>> I remember a discussion about this long ago, but no ultimate >>> decision. >>> In any case, here's my vote for no color extensions. At one time >>> I dug >>> this idea, but after more careful consideration, I think they're >>> distracting and interfere with the unity of the project. The >>> blue color >>> is a distinctive thematic element, and I think swapping it for every >>> subproject is a mistake. >>> >>> Simply changing a name that appears under the word "fedora" would >>> be a >>> better idea. I think trying to incorporate some additional graphic >>> element referencing the subproject name is probably also a bad move, >>> because it would make the resulting amalgam too busy. >>> >> >> I have to agree with Paul on this, also finding enough colors that >> are >> complementary to the blue theme will get difficult and confusing as >> projects are added. >> >> Robert 'Bob' Jensen >> Fedora Ambassador >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen >> http://scalug.us/ >> http://fedoraunity.org/ >> http://fedoralinks.org/ >> http://fedorasolved.org/ >> http://fedoramobile.org/ >> http://fedora64.org/ >> >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 3 16:39:07 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Colors and Slogan In-Reply-To: <604aa7910512300600i3b06e7ccsdc5672e58ac3cf6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <43B335CC.5040906@redhat.com> <7f617d270512281704k789ff3afo824be6c26e40846f@mail.gmail.com> <43B33754.9000607@redhat.com> <604aa7910512300600i3b06e7ccsdc5672e58ac3cf6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jef. I'm glad your memory is better than mine. :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 12/28/05, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Alex Maier wrote: > > > > >Didn't we decide to go monochrome? I mean no color extensions? > > >a > > > > > > > > I didnt see any such discussions anywhere in this list. > > Greg commented on the secondary color palette being dropped in the thread > "Fedora Logo: Modifications to the "f" and color" on Nov 9th > > You were even active in the thread. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Jan 3 22:42:40 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:12:40 +0530 Subject: Interview with kde-redhat Project Leader Rex Dieter Message-ID: <43BAFDE0.90109@redhat.com> Hi Rex Dieter of the KDE Red Hat third party repository has been interviewed in Dot KDE. An interesting interview for those want to know more about the details behind the formation of this repository, people working on it, differences with the formal Fedora KDE packages and a potential avenue for better collaboration in the future http://dot.kde.org/1136226311/ From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Jan 3 23:39:07 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:09:07 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Fedora general improvements input survey invitation] Message-ID: <43BB0B1B.3000904@redhat.com> Hi Dig into this. Important enough a survey for Fedora from the Red Hat perspective. Comments welcome... -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Tim Burke Subject: Re: Fedora general improvements input survey invitation Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:39:19 -0500 Size: 3979 URL: From chitlesh at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 08:17:31 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:17:31 +0100 Subject: Linux happenings in '06 Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Core is in the Linux happenings in '06 Timetable. quoting: February Users of Red Hat's free Fedora Core operating system will get an upgrade when Version 5 of the software is released. The new code will include Xen virtualization software - a precursor of more to come from Red Hat in '06 - as well as an SELinux security package and a LDAP directory administration tool. link: http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/linux/2006/0102linux1.html -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From lxmaier at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 20:51:36 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:51:36 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Call for Papers for LinuxTag 2006 is still open In-Reply-To: <20060106114511.96E477E91@cassidy.linuxtag.org> References: <20060106114511.96E477E91@cassidy.linuxtag.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270601061251v795cabdva9ea1e4b1361dec2@mail.gmail.com> Papers, anyone? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wolfgang Drotschmann Date: Jan 6, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: Call for Papers for LinuxTag 2006 is still open To: alex at fedoraproject.org Dear Friend, an eventful year 2005 has ended. An important event for the Open Source and Free Software world was a successful LinuxTag 2005. One key for the success of this event was your commitment. We would like to thank you for your contribution for this event resp. your commitment in the last years. LinuxTag has moved! The next event takes place in Wiesbaden, Germany, May 3 - 6, 2006. In order to prevent collisions with the 2006 FIFA World Cup which starts in June LinuxTag 2006 takes place in May, which is six weeks earlier than usual. Wiesbaden, as the regional capital of Hesse, is located in the geographical centre of Germany, and offers excellent travel connections. What is more, as a part of the Rhine-Main region with its notable IT industry, it will attract a "fresh" and big audience. So, maybe you want to participate again, and place a submission for the next LinuxTag? In this case, please read our CfP at http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/en/home/cfp.html (English) or http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/home/cfp.html (German) for more information. The CfP will be open until January 15, 2006. Eventually you are interested to participate in the organisation of LinuxTag 2006? We are still looking for reviewers for the open CfP. If you want to join us, please drop me a note. Thanks again! Hope to see you at LinuxTag 2006. On behalf of the LinuxTag orga team I wish you a Happy New Year! Regards, Wolfgang Drotschmann drotschm at linuxtag.org Speaker's Office LinuxTag 2006 Free Conference Program LinuxTag 2006: Where .com meets .org http://www.linuxtag.org -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Jan 7 00:59:33 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:29:33 +0530 Subject: Linux happenings in '06 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43BF1275.1000800@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >Fedora Core is in the Linux happenings in '06 Timetable. > >quoting: >February > >Users of Red Hat's free Fedora Core operating system will get an >upgrade when Version 5 of the software is released. The new code will >include Xen virtualization software - a precursor of more to come from >Red Hat in '06 - as well as an SELinux security package and a LDAP >directory administration tool. > >link: http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/linux/2006/0102linux1.html > > (copying to article author) Release was moved over to march in accordance to test2 slip. Announcement here - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-December/msg00583.html Public tentative release schedule - http://fedora.redhat.com/About/schedule/ Rahul Ps: Who is handling mails from press at fedoraproject.org now?. Can we redirect those to a mailing list?. Private one would be better. Do we need a spokesperson for the project in general? From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:17:40 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 02:17:40 +0100 Subject: FC4 DVD and FC5 release Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601061717v578716d1j2a2f1a3d1024fdbb@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Today a question can into my mind. "Should all the FC4 DVDs which are in stock, be shipped before the official release of FC5 ? sure Alex and Greg will have something to say about it :) But are you guys only the ones who are responsible to ship these items? How does it actually work? Definitely the next question arises, as from when the FC5 DVDs will be ready for shipment? Does the project already have contacts who can manufacture these? Lots of questions will arise and surely lots of resposibilities as well. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Jan 7 01:25:40 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:55:40 +0530 Subject: FC4 DVD and FC5 release In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601061717v578716d1j2a2f1a3d1024fdbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601061717v578716d1j2a2f1a3d1024fdbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43BF1894.6000007@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >Hello, > >Today a question can into my mind. >"Should all the FC4 DVDs which are in stock, be shipped before the >official release of FC5 ? > > You mean within Red Hat?. The demand for them outsell the stock. Thats not really a problem we have to worry about happily. On the contrary we should we worrying more about producing better stock next time. >sure Alex and Greg will have something to say about it :) >But are you guys only the ones who are responsible to ship these items? >How does it actually work? > > > Its mostly led by them currently. >Definitely the next question arises, as from when the FC5 DVDs will be >ready for shipment? >Does the project already have contacts who can manufacture these? > > I believe this was discussed in the ambassadors meeting. Check the mins in the wiki. Rahul From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:40:04 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 02:40:04 +0100 Subject: FC4 DVD and FC5 release In-Reply-To: <43BF1894.6000007@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601061717v578716d1j2a2f1a3d1024fdbb@mail.gmail.com> <43BF1894.6000007@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601061740k76aae996ic929f6b741c30f44@mail.gmail.com> > You mean within Red Hat?. The demand for them outsell the stock. Thats > not really a problem we have to worry about happily. On the contrary we > should we worrying more about producing better stock next time. :) are we planning a great (if not super great) marketing stuff for the next release? new ambassadors can propose new stuffs :) I propose web-banners with the new logo, just like how firefox did. Well, we don't need to copy but enhance it. :) > I believe this was discussed in the ambassadors meeting. Check the mins > in the wiki. There isnt any meeting minutes yet for the previous one. I think rwhetsel was responsible too. Its a pity I was late. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Jan 7 01:42:45 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:12:45 +0530 Subject: FC4 DVD and FC5 release In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601061740k76aae996ic929f6b741c30f44@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601061717v578716d1j2a2f1a3d1024fdbb@mail.gmail.com> <43BF1894.6000007@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601061740k76aae996ic929f6b741c30f44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43BF1C95.1030800@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>You mean within Red Hat?. The demand for them outsell the stock. Thats >>not really a problem we have to worry about happily. On the contrary we >>should we worrying more about producing better stock next time. >> >> > >:) are we planning a great (if not super great) marketing stuff for >the next release? >new ambassadors can propose new stuffs :) >I propose web-banners with the new logo, just like how firefox did. >Well, we don't need to copy but enhance it. :) > > > Feel free to suggest or even better work on those super great stuff :) >>I believe this was discussed in the ambassadors meeting. Check the mins >>in the wiki. >> >> >There isnt any meeting minutes yet for the previous one. I think >rwhetsel was responsible too. Its a pity I was late. > > Thats a discussion for the ambassadors list. Poke him off list if necessary. Rahul From mattfrye at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 19:33:10 2006 From: mattfrye at gmail.com (Matt Frye) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:33:10 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Fedora Ambassador In-Reply-To: <1135614332.43b0197ca6477@mail.ravensong.com> References: <1135614332.43b0197ca6477@mail.ravensong.com> Message-ID: <7f1eacdd0601091133l6920d92blefc0dc2155deebb8@mail.gmail.com> Someone please take care of this. I haven't the time. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Whetsel Date: Dec 26, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Fedora Ambassador To: mattfrye at gmail.com Matt, Could you add me to the editgroup for Fedora Ambassadors? user name: Robert Whetsel Thaks... -- Cheers, Robert C. Whetsel - CEO & Founder RavenSong Open Technologies, Inc. DBA: The Raven Group (1992) Open Source Architects Specializing in Enterprise Linux Business Solutions Frederick Innovative Technology Center 401 Rosemont Avenue Frederick, MD 21701 301.898.3817 www.ravensong.com From tejasdinkar at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 19:36:46 2006 From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:06:46 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Fedora Ambassador In-Reply-To: <7f1eacdd0601091133l6920d92blefc0dc2155deebb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1135614332.43b0197ca6477@mail.ravensong.com> <7f1eacdd0601091133l6920d92blefc0dc2155deebb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136835406.9952.11.camel@linuxbox> On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 14:33 -0500, Matt Frye wrote: > Someone please take care of this. I haven't the time. > > Matt, > > Could you add me to the editgroup for Fedora Ambassadors? > user name: Robert Whetsel > > Thaks... He's been in the edit group for at least 3 days. Gja From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 17:48:56 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:48:56 -0500 Subject: Linux happenings in '06 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270601100948j39ddbea2s7ce7229bdcbeb721@mail.gmail.com> Do we have anyone to attend? a On 1/6/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Fedora Core is in the Linux happenings in '06 Timetable. > > quoting: > February > > Users of Red Hat's free Fedora Core operating system will get an > upgrade when Version 5 of the software is released. The new code will > include Xen virtualization software - a precursor of more to come from > Red Hat in '06 - as well as an SELinux security package and a LDAP > directory administration tool. > > link: http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/linux/2006/0102linux1.html > > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 17:52:56 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:52:56 +0100 Subject: Linux happenings in '06 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601100948j39ddbea2s7ce7229bdcbeb721@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601100948j39ddbea2s7ce7229bdcbeb721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601100952l275de291m79db6a75232851a3@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Do we have anyone to attend? > a attend? I think you missunderstood it. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Wed Jan 11 05:42:24 2006 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:42:24 -0500 Subject: Linux happenings in '06 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601100952l275de291m79db6a75232851a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601060017laf045belcc4bc2ee3ee28d5f@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601100948j39ddbea2s7ce7229bdcbeb721@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0601100952l275de291m79db6a75232851a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136958144.2531.5.camel@deepfort> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 18:52 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 1/10/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Do we have anyone to attend? > > a > > attend? > I think you missunderstood it. Yeah, I saw nothing about attending anything anywhere. Jack From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 11 13:42:49 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:12:49 +0530 Subject: Free software events for December 2005 Message-ID: <43C50B59.6010106@redhat.com> Hi Free software magazine has a year end report which mentions Fedora Directory Server. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/newsletters/event_report_december_2005/index_p2.html "Freeing of the directory server software It always gives me a warm feeling when proprietary software is freed. This happened when Red Hat bought Netscape?s Directory Server. They promptly released it as free software. On the second of this month Red Hat released the next incarnation of the Fedora Directory Server 1.0 . This includes many enterprise level features of LDAP, such as version 3 of the protocol, multi-master replication and Windows synchronisation. Along with the engine, it includes console and administration utilities; all of which can be ported from GNU/Linux to other platforms. The strategy that Red Hat uses in its Open Directory product is typical. It first releases the latest and new ?bleeding edge? software as free software to the community through the Fedora project, giving the community what they want. After it has become more mature, and the stability is guaranteed, they use it to release their enterprise stable and static version of the product?still free software?to corporations, governments and other enterprise customers giving them what they want. It?s a good example of how to make money using free software and the community business model." -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From mattfrye at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 19:46:00 2006 From: mattfrye at gmail.com (Matt Frye) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:46:00 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Fedora Ambassador In-Reply-To: <1136835406.9952.11.camel@linuxbox> References: <1135614332.43b0197ca6477@mail.ravensong.com> <7f1eacdd0601091133l6920d92blefc0dc2155deebb8@mail.gmail.com> <1136835406.9952.11.camel@linuxbox> Message-ID: <7f1eacdd0601111146h36442551mebeef4965424f62e@mail.gmail.com> > He's been in the edit group for at least 3 days. Cool, thanks. From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 17:35:45 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:35:45 -0500 Subject: Free software events for December 2005 In-Reply-To: <43C50B59.6010106@redhat.com> References: <43C50B59.6010106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270601110935k2c03e03es3e1d45b0b610d3a4@mail.gmail.com> Rahul, This is great! Please post the link to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Cheers, a On 1/11/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Free software magazine has a year end report which mentions Fedora > Directory Server. > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/newsletters/event_report_december_2005/index_p2.html > > "Freeing of the directory server software > > It always gives me a warm feeling when proprietary software is freed. > This happened when Red Hat bought Netscape's Directory Server. They > promptly released it as free software. On the second of this month Red > Hat released the next incarnation of the Fedora Directory Server 1.0 > . > This includes many enterprise level features of LDAP, such as version 3 > of the protocol, multi-master replication and Windows synchronisation. > Along with the engine, it includes console and administration utilities; > all of which can be ported from GNU/Linux to other platforms. > > The strategy that Red Hat uses in its Open Directory product is typical. > It first releases the latest and new "bleeding edge" software as free > software to the community through the Fedora project, giving the > community what they want. After it has become more mature, and the > stability is guaranteed, they use it to release their enterprise stable > and static version of the product?still free software?to corporations, > governments and other enterprise customers giving them what they want. > It's a good example of how to make money using free software and the > community business model." > > > -- > Rahul > > Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 11 20:21:22 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:51:22 +0530 Subject: Free software events for December 2005 In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601110935k2c03e03es3e1d45b0b610d3a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <43C50B59.6010106@redhat.com> <7f617d270601110935k2c03e03es3e1d45b0b610d3a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C568C2.2050701@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: >Rahul, >This is great! Please post the link to >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > >Cheers, >a > > > Done. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 11 22:06:14 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:36:14 +0530 Subject: Fedora rescue CD Message-ID: <43C58156.9000909@redhat.com> Hi Distrowatch has some information on one of the new less known improvements to the Fedora Rescue CD effort. " One of the new features of Fedora Core 5, expected to enter a second testing phase next week, is a new rescue CD. Although not much information has been published about the features and goals of this Fedora sub-project, it is likely to become an important tool for all Red Hat and Fedora system administrators and therefore we thought it deserved some publicity. The first test release of the Fedora rescue CD was announced last week and several new builds have been released since then. The latest release, dated 8 January, appears to be built for x86_64 processors, but the developers are planning to produce a rescue CD for all three supported architectures. You can find the 70 MB ISO image in the /fedora/linux/development/isos/ directory on your favourite Fedora mirror ." http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060109 -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Jan 11 22:13:43 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:13:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora rescue CD In-Reply-To: <43C58156.9000909@redhat.com> References: <43C58156.9000909@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1137017623.11376.10.camel@ender> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 03:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Distrowatch has some information on one of the new less known > improvements to the Fedora Rescue CD effort. > > > " One of the new features of Fedora Core > 5, expected to enter a second testing phase next week, is a new rescue > CD. Although not much information has been published about the features > and goals of this Fedora sub-project, it is likely to become an > important tool for all Red Hat and Fedora system administrators and > therefore we thought it deserved some publicity. The first test release > of the Fedora rescue CD was announced > > last week and several new builds have been released since then. The > latest release, dated 8 January, appears to be built for x86_64 > processors, but the developers are planning to produce a rescue CD for > all three supported architectures. You can find the 70 MB ISO image in > the /fedora/linux/development/isos/ directory on your favourite Fedora > mirror ." > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060109 Wow, I love how people can get things wrong. The i386 rescue CD has been in place for a long time now, not exactly sure how long. All I was doing is turning on some code to generate the x86_64 version, and writing some code to generate the PPC one. It's not like this is a new thing... -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 11 22:20:47 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:50:47 +0530 Subject: Fedora rescue CD In-Reply-To: <1137017623.11376.10.camel@ender> References: <43C58156.9000909@redhat.com> <1137017623.11376.10.camel@ender> Message-ID: <43C584BF.6020303@redhat.com> Jesse Keating wrote: >On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 03:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>Distrowatch has some information on one of the new less known >>improvements to the Fedora Rescue CD effort. >> >> >>" One of the new features of Fedora Core >>5, expected to enter a second testing phase next week, is a new rescue >>CD. Although not much information has been published about the features >>and goals of this Fedora sub-project, it is likely to become an >>important tool for all Red Hat and Fedora system administrators and >>therefore we thought it deserved some publicity. The first test release >>of the Fedora rescue CD was announced >> >>last week and several new builds have been released since then. The >>latest release, dated 8 January, appears to be built for x86_64 >>processors, but the developers are planning to produce a rescue CD for >>all three supported architectures. You can find the 70 MB ISO image in >>the /fedora/linux/development/isos/ directory on your favourite Fedora >>mirror ." >> >>http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060109 >> >> > >Wow, I love how people can get things wrong. The i386 rescue CD has >been in place for a long time now, not exactly sure how long. All I was >doing is turning on some code to generate the x86_64 version, and >writing some code to generate the PPC one. It's not like this is a new >thing... > > Its not a new thing and distrowatch does indeed seem to have that impression which I believe merely shows a wider issue. There are a large number of people who are aware of installation features such as boot and rescue images as well as kickstart. If these are not being prominently shown in the download pages and documented well in the installation guides it could be. There is definitely room for improvement. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From stuart at elsn.org Wed Jan 11 23:03:53 2006 From: stuart at elsn.org (Stuart Ellis) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:03:53 +0000 Subject: Fedora rescue CD In-Reply-To: <43C584BF.6020303@redhat.com> References: <43C58156.9000909@redhat.com> <1137017623.11376.10.camel@ender> <43C584BF.6020303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1137020633.6947.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 03:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Its not a new thing and distrowatch does indeed seem to have that > impression which I believe merely shows a wider issue. There are a large > number of people who are aware of installation features such as boot > and rescue images as well as kickstart. If these are not being > prominently shown in the download pages and documented well in the > installation guides it could be. There is definitely room for improvement. Agreed - I'm currently working on the advanced install options. HTML version of CVS Installation Guide: http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/docs/fedora-install-guide/en/ch-admin-options.html#sn-bootoptions -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Thu Jan 12 03:29:46 2006 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:29:46 -0800 Subject: Free software events for December 2005 In-Reply-To: <43C50B59.6010106@redhat.com> References: <43C50B59.6010106@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1137036586.3249.9.camel@tuxhugger> Awesome! Thanks, Rahul. =) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key: 0xDA3634D7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 22:40:30 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:40:30 +0100 Subject: Idea: Fedora in Library Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, I think im going to write a lot lol. Ok an Ubuntu marketing agent told me about their idea of having Ubuntu in Libraries. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInLibraries No, its not about installing Ubuntu in the computers but to lend Open source cds to their subscribed users. Actually they copied it from Openoffice. http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/11838/Open%20Source%20CD%20in%20libraries%20Howto.pdf Personally its a wonderful idea because having CDS in libraries will affect the complete newbies mind set of fear towards linux. Considering the fact that librairies is a body of trust. This is mostly an activity done by the lug. Of course if we ambassadors provide enough materials/translation to. Im eager to do it right away in Strasbourg. But comparing to another distros like ubuntu,suse,etc they already have enough materials in their pocket. Example, live cds. I prefer to wait for Fedora to catch up with materials. Let's take for example, Fedora. If a lug happens to realise this project. Among other distros we will only have handouts and Fedora DVDs. Meanwhile students or anyone will prefer to give a try to live cds, leaving Fedora behind. Saying that this particular live distro is based on Fedora isn't enough for the complete newbies. It would rather be useless. If someone tried the "official" fedora LIVE cd if he/she likes it he/she can easily get the install DVD for free for their local lug or lug ambassador or from the library directly. Some testimonials: http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/04/16/1923248.shtml?tid=137&tid=185&tid=215 http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/15/193231.shtml?tid=146&tid=149&tid=99 Since in the last 3 meetings (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule ) we didn't really progress in Emails, funds, Schwag because we are waiting for additional info. I suggest we talk and plan about this idea. I know ambassadors from India or Brazil will have alot to say :)) I know we (majority)ambassadors we only popped in during meetings hours, talk and talk. This sounds like acting. Its time to move A55 :) for REAL action. Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Sat Jan 14 11:12:28 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:42:28 +0530 Subject: Idea: Fedora in Library In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C8DC9C.3050301@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >Hello everyone, >I think im going to write a lot lol. >Ok an Ubuntu marketing agent told me about their idea of having Ubuntu >in Libraries. >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInLibraries >No, its not about installing Ubuntu in the computers but to lend Open >source cds to their subscribed users. Actually they copied it from >Openoffice. >http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/11838/Open%20Source%20CD%20in%20libraries%20Howto.pdf > >Personally its a wonderful idea because having CDS in libraries will >affect the complete newbies mind set of fear towards linux. >Considering the fact that librairies is a body of trust. > >This is mostly an activity done by the lug. Of course if we >ambassadors provide enough materials/translation to. > >Im eager to do it right away in Strasbourg. But comparing to another >distros like ubuntu,suse,etc they already have enough materials in >their pocket. Example, live cds. I prefer to wait for Fedora to catch >up with materials. > >Let's take for example, Fedora. If a lug happens to realise this >project. Among other distros we will only have handouts and Fedora >DVDs. Meanwhile students or anyone will prefer to give a try to live >cds, leaving Fedora behind. Saying that this particular live distro is >based on Fedora isn't enough for the complete newbies. It would rather >be useless. If someone tried the "official" fedora LIVE cd if he/she >likes it he/she can easily get the install DVD for free for their >local lug or lug ambassador or from the library directly. > >Some testimonials: >http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/04/16/1923248.shtml?tid=137&tid=185&tid=215 >http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/15/193231.shtml?tid=146&tid=149&tid=99 > >Since in the last 3 meetings (see >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Schedule ) we didn't really >progress in Emails, funds, Schwag because we are waiting for >additional info. I suggest we talk and plan about this idea. I know >ambassadors from India or Brazil will have alot to say :)) > >I know we (majority)ambassadors we only popped in during meetings >hours, talk and talk. This sounds like acting. Its time to move A55 :) >for REAL action. > >Chitlesh GOORAH > > > I believe I posted the openoffice.org effort to this list previously. Write all this information into a sub page within the Marketing wiki and organize it as a sub project. Since you brought up the idea you get to lead the effort and make sure it succeeds :-) -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 11:41:45 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:41:45 +0100 Subject: Idea: Fedora in Library In-Reply-To: <43C8DC9C.3050301@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601131440p5fb1a478t503a835736e19d99@mail.gmail.com> <43C8DC9C.3050301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601140341l8c5e179q2136084b311c1ff3@mail.gmail.com> > I believe I posted the openoffice.org effort to this list previously. > Write all this information into a sub page within the Marketing wiki and > organize it as a sub project. Since you brought up the idea you get to > lead the effort and make sure it succeeds :-) Ok done. Ive put you too Rahul as a project leader :) In the next meeting we can more about it and how to flourish it. -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 18:40:55 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:40:55 +0100 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, My screenshots of Kadischi has been accepted by Chris Haney of osdir.com Here is the link : http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=551&slide=1&title=kasdischi+(fedora+live+cd Chitlesh Goorah -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Sun Jan 15 19:25:02 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:55:02 +0530 Subject: Fedora Projects Weekly Report Message-ID: <43CAA18E.6080004@redhat.com> Hi Beginning this week, We have a new effort in place to project timely and crisp weekly reports for everyone in the Fedora community to gather information on the happenings in the Fedora universe in a easily digestible and referenceable format. Enjoy it at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/WeeklyReports/ This will be part of and compliment the existing weekly news in http://fedoranews.org and published in fedora-announce list. Thanks for those who already signed up as report writers - Fedora Release Engineer, Jesse Keating, and Fedora Ambassador, Tejas Dinker in a short notice of few hours. Thanks to our newly elected fearless Fedora Extras Steering Committee chair, Thorsten Leemhuis for providing this week's report on Fedora Extras project. Special credits to Fedora Ambassador, Chitlesh Goorah for initiating the report on the Kadischi, Fedora Live CD project and providing excellent look and feel with some wiki magic. Please continue the good work. We expect to pick up more content from report writers and translators in the near future. Contributions and feedback is as always most welcome. Don't hesitate to contact me off list if you need any specific help with your contributions. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Jan 16 02:36:30 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:36:30 -0600 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CB06AE.4070000@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello everyone, My screenshots of Kadischi has been accepted by > Chris Haney of osdir.com Here is the link : > http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=551&slide=1&title=kasdischi+(fedora+live+cd > Excellent! I wonder one thing, though... Those screenshots you posted are of how did you manage to put together the image? Or is that the LiveCD running? (though I don't think so) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDywauXM+XOp70dwoRAi7xAJ95Msjt8wBFbDf5C9ljgWpOfqhSzQCeJg6u izyj71xjUlVyH+WUcw5n4zw= =O03m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Mon Jan 16 03:10:23 2006 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:10:23 -0800 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:40 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello everyone, > My screenshots of Kadischi has been accepted by Chris Haney of osdir.com > Here is the link : > http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=551&slide=1&title=kasdischi+(fedora+live+cd > > Chitlesh Goorah That is very nifty. Is that actually running the Anaconda installer from a graphical environment? That could be very useful. Nice. :) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key: 0xDA3634D7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 08:27:09 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:27:09 +0100 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> > That is very nifty. Is that actually running the Anaconda installer from > a graphical environment? That could be very useful. > > Nice. :) Thanks, yes it's from the graphical environment. answering Gain Paolo Mureddu, it's Kadischi at work and not the live cd itself. :) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedora.redhat.com Mon Jan 16 09:52:38 2006 From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:52:38 -0800 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060116095106.M65778@fedora.redhat.com> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:40:55 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote > Hello everyone, > My screenshots of Kadischi has been accepted by Chris Haney of osdir.com > Here is the link : > http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=551&slide=1&title=kasdischi+(fedora+live+cd > > Chitlesh Goorah > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com Excellent Job! -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Jan 16 10:25:51 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:55:51 +0530 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>That is very nifty. Is that actually running the Anaconda installer from >>a graphical environment? That could be very useful. >> >>Nice. :) >> >> > >Thanks, yes it's from the graphical environment. > >answering Gain Paolo Mureddu, it's Kadischi at work and not the live >cd itself. :) > > When you submit screenshots send those with descriptive taglines. That would be much more helpful to end users not familiar with the tool. Maybe a link to the Kadischi page too. --- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 10:31:18 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:31:18 +0100 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> > When you submit screenshots send those with descriptive taglines. That would be much more helpful to end users not familiar with the tool. Maybe a link to the Kadischi page too. I can't change it now. do i? :( next time Ill think about that. thanks Rahul -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Jan 16 13:57:23 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:27:23 +0530 Subject: Getting rid of flags Message-ID: <43CBA643.7070808@redhat.com> Hi We have had the discussion in various places before so I won't repeat them again. Flags are politically loaded. Just avoid using them in the software, documentation etc within the Fedora Project. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages for the glorious details. If you see any flags being used, consider them a bug and fix them or file a bug report as required. Thanks. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Jan 16 14:01:09 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:31:09 +0530 Subject: Coordinating on media responses Message-ID: <43CBA725.4090101@redhat.com> Hi If you see any reviews that you will like to respond on the behalf of the Fedora Marketing team, please let me know first. If you get any requests for quotes or interviews as a Fedora Ambassadors approach the Fedora Ambassadors Steering committee members. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From lxmaier at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 15:06:27 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:06:27 -0500 Subject: Getting rid of flags In-Reply-To: <43CBA643.7070808@redhat.com> References: <43CBA643.7070808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270601160706j70001caagcf77968e8bcd0a7b@mail.gmail.com> Does this mean we have to strip all flags from Ambassadors/CountryList? Cheers, a On 1/16/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > We have had the discussion in various places before so I won't repeat > them again. Flags are politically loaded. Just avoid using them in the > software, documentation etc within the Fedora Project. See > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages for the glorious details. If you > see any flags being used, consider them a bug and fix them or file a bug > report as required. Thanks. > > -- > Rahul > > Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Jan 16 15:10:28 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:40:28 +0530 Subject: Getting rid of flags In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601160706j70001caagcf77968e8bcd0a7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43CBA643.7070808@redhat.com> <7f617d270601160706j70001caagcf77968e8bcd0a7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CBB764.5010205@redhat.com> Alex Maier wrote: >Does this mean we have to strip all flags from Ambassadors/CountryList? > >Cheers, >a > Yes. Already done. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 22:42:19 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:42:19 -0500 Subject: Coordinating on media responses In-Reply-To: <43CBA725.4090101@redhat.com> References: <43CBA725.4090101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910601161442s59915df5v8e271e9754fc1d12@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > If you see any reviews that you will like to respond on the behalf of > the Fedora Marketing team, please let me know first. If you get any > requests for quotes or interviews as a Fedora Ambassadors approach the > Fedora Ambassadors Steering committee members. Oops, I fired off a personal response to http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5971 before reading this thread in my gmail backlog. Sorry about that. -jef Here's the text of my email response: Good Morning, I have a request, if in the future you write reviews concerning fedora test releases can you please add information concerning how people are to get involved in the ongoing testing process. While I'm thrilled that fedora is shaping up towards a fc5 release, and I'm glad you found the test release reasonably useful, I'm not excited about novice users seeing reviews and snapping up the test release without having an idea as to what is expected from testers. Just downloading test releases and taking them for a drive isn't very useful to the project. We need people who are going to follow up with bugreports when they experience unexpected behavior. As an active tester, I would greatly appreciate it if you could add information into the lead-in overview page paragraph of your article which points people to the fedora-test-list mailinglist and to http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/TestingGuide , though the Draft status of that page will change as the text firms up. Beyond explicitly adding information in the lead-in paragraphs concerning how someone gets invovled in the testing process. I think it would be a very good idea if your led by example and referenced bugzilla report tickets urls in the body of the review for any of the outstanding issues you noticed while you did your own personal testing leading up to the review writing. Like the oddness invovling the mounting problem. As much fun as it is to tell the masses about your experience and to get them excited about fc5.. what really matters for the test releases is making sure that bugs get reported to the developers and that means searching for and filing bug tickets. I think if you referenced actual bugtickets in your review, that could help bugzilla usage by readers who find the test release by reading your review. Also currently http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5Test2CommonProblems attempts to track widespread problems and bugzilla ticket references for test2. From sundaram at redhat.com Mon Jan 16 22:56:21 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:26:21 +0530 Subject: Coordinating on media responses In-Reply-To: <604aa7910601161442s59915df5v8e271e9754fc1d12@mail.gmail.com> References: <43CBA725.4090101@redhat.com> <604aa7910601161442s59915df5v8e271e9754fc1d12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CC2495.5030801@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On 1/16/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>If you see any reviews that you will like to respond on the behalf of >>the Fedora Marketing team, please let me know first. If you get any >>requests for quotes or interviews as a Fedora Ambassadors approach the >>Fedora Ambassadors Steering committee members. >> >> > >Oops, I fired off a personal response to >http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5971 >before reading this thread in my gmail backlog. Sorry about that. > >-jef > > Nice response and I dont have any problems with people trying to bring more awareness to the reviewers on their personal efforts but we could do a better job if we did the responses as a team and copy over the mails to this public list. It shows that we care to read the reviews and respond to them at the project level and provides a opportunity for the reviewers to respond in this public list and present their counter view points if any. As nice as it is that we strive to educate the reviewers, there might be occasions we might learn a few things from the reviewer's perspective too. Thanks. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at redhat.com Tue Jan 17 04:49:59 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:19:59 +0530 Subject: FUDCon Delhi 2006 in India Message-ID: <43CC7777.5060504@redhat.com> Hi FUDCon - Fedora Users and Developer's conference, Delhi 2006 will be held on February 9th 2006 as part of LinuxAsia conference is in India habitat Center, Delhi - India. The *tentative* agenda is available from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006. We will have a packed set of presentations and workshops from renowned speakers from Red Hat and the community at large. We will also have a .org booth for Fedora and participating in give aways and demonstrations. If you are around, which you should be, say hello to all of us. We look forward to yet another kick ass FUDCon. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From barzilay at redhat.com Tue Jan 17 05:03:03 2006 From: barzilay at redhat.com (David Barzilay) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:03:03 +1000 Subject: FUDCon Delhi 2006 in India In-Reply-To: <43CC7777.5060504@redhat.com> References: <43CC7777.5060504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1137474183.5665.19.camel@dhcp-68.brisbane.redhat.com> Em Ter, 2006-01-17 ?s 10:19 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escreveu: > Hi > > FUDCon - Fedora Users and Developer's conference, Delhi 2006 will be > held on February 9th 2006 as part of LinuxAsia conference is in India > habitat Center, Delhi - India. The *tentative* agenda is available > from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006. We will have > a packed set of presentations and workshops from renowned speakers from > Red Hat and the community at large. We will also have a .org booth for > Fedora and participating in give aways and demonstrations. If you are > around, which you should be, say hello to all of us. We look forward to > yet another kick ass FUDCon. Go Rahul and India Ambasadors! Best of luck, mates! Cheers, -- Dave Barzilay From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 20:55:16 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:55:16 -0500 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> Great job Chitlesh! Could you post a link to osdir.org article on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Thanks, a On 1/16/06, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > > When you submit screenshots send those with descriptive taglines. That would be much more helpful to end users not familiar with the tool. Maybe a link to the Kadischi page too. > > I can't change it now. do i? :( > next time Ill think about that. thanks Rahul > > > -- > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 21:51:06 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:51:06 +0100 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601171351y65ddb948jf0737c5dca286e78@mail.gmail.com> On 1/17/06, Alex Maier wrote: > Great job Chitlesh! > Could you post a link to osdir.org article on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive Done; in the language field ive added "Screenshots". -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 02:41:34 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:11:34 +0530 Subject: Looking Forward: Fedora Core 5: Feedback Message-ID: <43CDAADE.6030107@redhat.com> Hi In between the ever so crazy work involved in getting a new release of Fedora Core 5 out of the door, it was a pleasant surprise to generally get a good pat on the back through your detailed review[1] of the second test release of Fedora Core 5 [2]. Thank you for that. I wouldn't want to quote and gloat about the positive comments. Your readers are already all over it anyway. I would just like to offer my viewpoints on some potential criticisms in the review. " Red Hat's (and consequently Fedora's) installer hasn't changed much over the years, so when I loaded this version one of the first things I took notice of was the differences. This release will finally see some definite changes to the install process, and from what I could tell they're well thought out and welcome changes" I would agree that the overall look and feel of the installer has not been changed much and this has been to a good part, intentional to provide some familiarity to the users of Red Hat Linux and subsequently Fedora. The underlying changes though have been more or less steadily progressing towards improving the installation process. We now use yum as a backend to the installer in hopes of minimizing the differences between a upgradation through the installer and through the ill advised option of using Yum to upgrade a distribution and more importantly providing the ability to support additional software repositories such as Fedora Extras. You can find a major list of planned changes to Anaconda here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AnacondaWorkItems "How many newbies do you know who will know right off the top of their head what SSH, FTP, HTTP, etc are? Sure, I know many might, but I've been in the business of supporting end users for over a decade now and let me tell you that you'd be amazed. So this isn't a slant on Fedora at all. They've done very well. The only thing I could say would be to maybe put some plain English titles next to the check boxes or maybe some short but descriptive comments." Agree with that completely. Now we do provide the ability for everyone to file requests for feature enhancements to all the Fedora components in http://bugzilla.redhat.com. It would very nice if you can file such a request and then refer to it within your review and set an example of community feedback. Getting such media attention to small but nice requests such as this might be a good idea to get your favorite peeves resolved since the distribution being reviewed will like to pay better attention to such requests. (hint hint ;-). " SELinux is here again in this release, but without it's baggage from what I saw. For quite some time now you've had to disable SELinux at the boot prompt if you were to use a file system such as ReiserFS for the bootable partition, but this time I wasn't affected at all. " The default filesystem Ext3 is being supported by Fedora project. Others are merely been made available as the upstream project provides it. The project on the whole has decided to concentrate its expertise and not so unlimited resources into others areas that require more attention instead of gaining support for yet another filesystem. SELinux is actually broken again in both XFS and reiserfs. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2006-January/msg00833.html The general lack of upstream involvement in providing SELinux capability which is one of the driving features and part of the pro-active security strategy of Fedora ( Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security for other details) is also the reason why Ext3 is preferred within the Fedora project as it is something that Red Hat has contributing heavily and has engineer expertise on to stand behind and support any issues or the ongoing feature enhancements within the subsequent releases in the future. " GDM, the GNOME login manager, hasn't changed much at all for the next release. It's still very plain, which is all fine and good. As with everything else in Linux, It's themeable, so if you require more eye candy it's available to you. I don't mind the minimalistic look at all so I left it untouched." While you might prefer the minimalistic look, it might be of interest that our interaction design expert, Diana fong has produced some excellent artwork for this release and as part of her efforts has also produced a mockup of a new GDM theme to match the rest of the artwork included in this release. Our engineers unfortunately have not had time to implement this new GDM theme though. Hopefully they will be able to do this before the GA release of Fedora Core 5. " Performance on the desktop up until this point is not good at all. Applications were extremely slow to load and Nautilus would crash on cue" Dave Jones, Fedora kernel maintainer introduced a patch in the development tree that added some important debugging features. Though it slowed down the performance considerably, it has resulted in some interesting findings that will help towards fixing some issues. I believe the performance issues cited in the review might be related to this. http://www.livejournal.com/users/kernelslacker/33637.html?mode=reply Nautilus issues mentioned in the review is a known bug. "There was one issue I found with mounting CD media and it appears to stem from their new volume label usage in fstab. Basically, what happens is it generates mount points on the fly depending on the volume label of the media being mounted. For instance, I inserted a DVD with a volume label of ?DiscMakers?. When the system mounted the device, it mounted it (//dev/hdc/ as the DVD drive is properly known on my review PC) as //media/DiscMakers/. That's all fine and good under normal circumstances, but in this case it fouled it up to the point of not allowing me to unmount it properly... if at all. As you can see by the screenshot below, I was having some real trouble getting the thing to eject. When I would right-click the CD/DVD icon on the desktop and select /Eject/ from the menu, it would generate and error saying that it didn't exist in fstab. To add insult to injury it would tell me I wasn't root... as if I didn't already know. " I would request again a bugzilla report on this problem to enable our engineers to fix this issue. " Fedora includes a package management tool called Yum. Think of it as being very similar to the way Debian's Apt works, dependency resolution and all. While Yum can be slow, and an all around pain in the ass at times, I have to say the wealth of software available is really amazing and it /does/ work." Yum is usually perceived as being slow since it checks the repository metadata before its runs its operations while you will have to manually do this with Apt. As an example of this, if you do a installation of a latest package called "foo" in Debian or even in Fedora using Apt-RPM available in Fedora Extras. (APT-RPM is not recommended for other reasons documented in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/Apt), you would use the following commands # apt-get update # apt-get install foo If you use yum, it does a equivalent of apt-get update (yum check-update) automatically and only have to use the following command # yum install foo While this makes it appear slow you can use Yum -C install foo to do a equivalent of a typical apt command thereby showing similar performance. Yum in this release of Fedora Core goes even further by retaining a timeout period of 1800 seconds by default (which is configurable in /etc/yum.conf using the option metadata_expire) for repeated operations of Yum during which it does not attempt to resync its metadata and performing its operations faster. " On the topic of support, I have to take this time to plug FedoraForum.org, which is official forum of Fedora and the best resource possible for this distribution. Period. It isn't just because Mad Penguin? staff member Ewdison Then owns/operates it either... it's just /that/ good. Since this is a community release, it's up to the community to provide support for it, and they've done so with exceptional results. Thanks to Ewdi, we've got FedoraForum.org, and there's others out there as well. Here are a few of them plus others for those of you who are getting into Fedora and are looking for help, tips, tricks, tutorials, and everything in between" Being a active forum users and one of the community managers there I totally agree on this. /me waves to Ewdi. "*Management: *Good (needs a centralization control center)" # yum install system-config-control and you will see a work in progress (Screenshots available from indianoss.sourceforge.net/) volunteer effort from one of the local language computing people - Ankit enabling Gujarati language in India who also happens to my office colleague locally. Incidentally we were brainstorming on this tool when I came across your review. So yeah we are working on it. Thank you once again for your interest in the Fedora project. --- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 02:44:23 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:14:23 +0530 Subject: Looking Forward: Fedora Core 5: Feedback In-Reply-To: <43CDAADE.6030107@redhat.com> References: <43CDAADE.6030107@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43CDAB87.7040405@redhat.com> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > In between the ever so crazy work involved in getting a new release of > Fedora Core 5 out of the door, it was a pleasant surprise to generally > get a good pat on the back through your detailed review[1] of the > second test release of Fedora Core 5 [2]. Thank you for that. I > wouldn't want to quote and gloat about the positive comments. Your > readers are already all over it anyway. I would just like to offer my > viewpoints on some potential criticisms in the review. Missed out adding in the references [1] http://madpenguin.org/cms/index.php/?m=show&id=5971&page=1 [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006-January/msg00045.html -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From kevinverma at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 03:00:24 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:30:24 +0530 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing Message-ID: Dear Dubai Lug Co-coordinators, This is a kind request for you to add your Linux User Group to Fedora Project LUG Listing on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups This should help us to provide your resource information to Fedora Project Users in your region. This shall also help Fedora Project to join hands in your region and to address your localized requirements. For fellow Dubai LUG members, I urge you to find time explore Fedora Project in details on http://fedora.redhat.com and http://fedoraproject.org Yours Sincerely, Kevin Verma Ambassador, Fedora Project - INDIA From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 04:35:21 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:35:21 -0500 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f617d270601172035o67c3af6at93acd9719bd4e9ba@mail.gmail.com> Great idea Kevin! If anyone else knows a LUG which is not yet on the list, please get in touch with them--or re-touch the LUGs in your region if you have not been in contact with them in a while. Cheers, a On 1/17/06, Kevin Verma wrote: > Dear Dubai Lug Co-coordinators, > > This is a kind request for you to add your Linux User Group to Fedora > Project LUG Listing on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups > > This should help us to provide your resource information to Fedora > Project Users in your region. This shall also help Fedora Project to > join hands in your region and to address your localized requirements. > > For fellow Dubai LUG members, I urge you to find time explore Fedora > Project in details on http://fedora.redhat.com and > http://fedoraproject.org > > Yours Sincerely, > Kevin Verma > Ambassador, Fedora Project - INDIA > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Wed Jan 18 04:46:36 2006 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:46:36 -0800 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 15:55 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Great job Chitlesh! > Could you post a link to osdir.org article on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > > Thanks, > a Should the "Fedora Core 5 Test 1" header and links below also be updated? =) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key: 0xDA3634D7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lxmaier at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 04:50:56 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:50:56 -0500 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> Message-ID: <7f617d270601172050h259c8495h1497ce76a8011496@mail.gmail.com> Yes they should--thanks for volunteering to update them :) Cheers, a On 1/17/06, Peter Gordon wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 15:55 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Great job Chitlesh! > > Could you post a link to osdir.org article on > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive > > > > Thanks, > > a > > Should the "Fedora Core 5 Test 1" header and links below also be > updated? =) > -- > Peter Gordon (codergeek42) > GnuPG Public Key: 0xDA3634D7 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBDzcgrs8tI7No2NNcRAuywAJsEvPUln+nHKtX5KHQjTq7VqAodkgCeJi2Y > ZZBITtq0Cx8ilEYYLtebJP0= > =qr+U > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Wed Jan 18 05:49:55 2006 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:49:55 -0800 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601172050h259c8495h1497ce76a8011496@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> <7f617d270601172050h259c8495h1497ce76a8011496@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137563395.3434.46.camel@tuxhugger> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:50 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > Yes they should--thanks for volunteering to update them :) > Cheers, I didn't volunteer, actually; just mentioning that to those who run the Wiki. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 05:51:58 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:21:58 +0530 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> Message-ID: <43CDD77E.1030305@redhat.com> Peter Gordon wrote: >On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 15:55 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > >>Great job Chitlesh! >>Could you post a link to osdir.org article on >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive >> >>Thanks, >>a >> >> > >Should the "Fedora Core 5 Test 1" header and links below also be >updated? =) > > Fixed. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From admin at ramshacklestudios.com Wed Jan 18 05:53:21 2006 From: admin at ramshacklestudios.com (Peter Gordon) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:53:21 -0800 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <43CDD77E.1030305@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> <43CDD77E.1030305@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1137563601.3434.48.camel@tuxhugger> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Peter Gordon wrote: > >Should the "Fedora Core 5 Test 1" header and links below also be > >updated? =) > > > > > Fixed. Thanks, Rahul. =) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) GnuPG Public Key: 0xDA3634D7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kevinverma at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 09:23:51 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:53:51 +0530 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Fedora Project LUG Listing Message-ID: Dear Lug Co-coordinators & Fellow Members, We request you and welcome you to add your Linux User Group to Fedora Project LUG Listing on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups This should help us to provide your resource information to Fedora Project Users in your region. This shall also help Fedora Project to join hands in your region and to address your localized requirements. Co-coordinators will be required to create a user account on the FedoraProject.org, for the same please visit http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences It is suggested that you choose a username as per the pattern in herein example: e.g Your Name : Foo Bar , Your Suggested username : FooBar Next, expect a co-ordinator from FedoraProject.org to contact you and have created a basic wiki page for your userinfo for example as above "http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar" Once this basic procedure has taken place you may start editing your wiki page and hereafter any other wiki page, your changes will be monitored across by the FedoraProject.org co-coordinators and there is help available on-line, in-case you still have trouble using the wiki, please do no hesitate to contact the co-coordinators. For fellow LUG members, you are also requested to find time to explore Fedora Project in details on http://fedora.redhat.com and http://fedoraproject.org Every one is most welcome to join and help FedoraProject.org and benefit of the same. Yours Sincerely, Kevin Verma Ambassador, Fedora Project - INDIA From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 09:36:45 2006 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:36:45 +0100 Subject: Latest Fedora 5 Beta arrives Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601180136q171bd717o97cbbf43d6569d5f@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Ive just filed, Marketing/Press for http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3406102293.html It's an article about "Latest Fedora Core 5 Beta arrives" -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 12:58:20 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:28:20 +0530 Subject: Freed Fedora Foundation Might Get Participation Boost Message-ID: <43CE3B6C.9050307@redhat.com> Hi A pretty decent report on Fedora Foundation. Note the links on Red Hat/Fedora directory server and Red Hat patent policy. http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb061405-story01.html For those who have been living in the cave for the last few months here is some information on ideas behind the formation of Fedora Foundation http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundation. Comments? Questions? -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From mike.j.knox at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 19:04:00 2006 From: mike.j.knox at gmail.com (Michael Knox) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:04:00 +1300 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing In-Reply-To: <7f617d270601172035o67c3af6at93acd9719bd4e9ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f617d270601172035o67c3af6at93acd9719bd4e9ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Indeed it is a good idea. I have now added my local LUG. Michale On 1/18/06, Alex Maier wrote: > > Great idea Kevin! > > If anyone else knows a LUG which is not yet on the list, please get in > touch with them--or re-touch the LUGs in your region if you have not > been in contact with them in a while. > > Cheers, > a > > On 1/17/06, Kevin Verma wrote: > > Dear Dubai Lug Co-coordinators, > > > > This is a kind request for you to add your Linux User Group to Fedora > > Project LUG Listing on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups > > > > This should help us to provide your resource information to Fedora > > Project Users in your region. This shall also help Fedora Project to > > join hands in your region and to address your localized requirements. > > > > For fellow Dubai LUG members, I urge you to find time explore Fedora > > Project in details on http://fedora.redhat.com and > > http://fedoraproject.org > > > > Yours Sincerely, > > Kevin Verma > > Ambassador, Fedora Project - INDIA > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 19:30:56 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:00:56 +0530 Subject: Distrowatch: First looks: Fedora Core 5 Test 2 Message-ID: <43CE9770.3080106@redhat.com> Hi There is every indication that we are going from strength to strength with this release. So far the responses have been overwhelmingly positive. If more of the community members test the third and final test release of Fedora Core 5 and make sure we dont get any major issues with the GA release, we have a hands down winner here. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060116 It was quite amusing to read my release notes overview quoted literally in the review. My only minor gripe is that I didnt specify that it was a prerelease of GCC 4.1 compiler and not the final version within the overview and got a possible sarcastic comment in return. Ouch!. We made the same mistake in the release announcement along with not mentioning KDE 3.5 though we got that fixed through a followup, thanks to Jesse Keating's nice work as a release manager. For someone's first time, not bad, not bad at all ;-) . Excellent work so far everyone. Just keep pushing this till we get a great Fedora Core 5 release out of the door and then sit back, relax and watch the community show for Fedora's true potential. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Jan 18 20:43:15 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:43:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing -- lists with 2-3 Fedora gurus ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060118204315.70324.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Michael Knox wrote: > Indeed it is a good idea. I have now added my local LUG. If people with edit access can add the following LUGs to the page, I'd greatly appreciate it. USA / FL / Gainesville - Florida Linux Users (FLU) -- http://florida.linuxusers.org USA / FL / Jacksonville - Jacksonville Linux User's Group (JAXLUG) -- http://www.jaxlug.org USA / FL / Miami-Ft. Lauderdale - Florida Linux User Xchange (FLUX) -- http://www.flux.org USA / FL / Orlando - Linux Enthusiasts and Professionals, Inc. of Central Florida (LEAP-CF) -- http://www.leap-cf.org USA / FL / Orlando - Greater Orlando Linux User Group (GOLUG) -- http://www.golug.org USA / FL / Tampa-Sarasota - Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) -- http://www.suncoastlug.org USA / IL / Carbondale-Fairview Heights - Southern Illinois Linux Users Group (SILUG) -- http://www.silug.org USA / IL / Springfield - Linux Users of Central Illinois (LUCI) -- http://www.luci.org/ USA / MO / St. Louis - St. Louis Linux Users Group (SLLUG) -- http://www.stllinux.org/ I belong to several other lists in many other states (yes, I get around a lot doing a lot of Linux consulting), although I wouldn't call them "Fedora Friendly." The above lists at least have at least 2-3 Fedora gurus. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------- *** Speed doesn't kill, difference in speed does *** From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 20:51:03 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:21:03 +0530 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing -- lists with 2-3 Fedora gurus ... In-Reply-To: <20060118204315.70324.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118204315.70324.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43CEAA37.7000604@redhat.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >Michael Knox wrote: > > >>Indeed it is a good idea. I have now added my local LUG. >> >> > >If people with edit access can add the following LUGs to the >page, I'd greatly appreciate it. > Register in the wiki in FirstnameLastname format ex: FooBar and let me know offlist and I will get you edit access to do this yourself. Thanks -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From tchung at fedora.redhat.com Wed Jan 18 20:52:42 2006 From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:52:42 -0800 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing -- lists with 2-3 Fedora gurus ... In-Reply-To: <20060118204315.70324.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118204315.70324.qmail@web34112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060118204854.M84491@fedora.redhat.com> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:43:15 -0800 (PST), Bryan J. Smith wrote > Michael Knox wrote: > > Indeed it is a good idea. I have now added my local LUG. > > If people with edit access can add the following LUGs to the > page, I'd greatly appreciate it. > >.. Hi Bryan, Would you like me to add you in EditGroup so you can add those LUGs by yourself? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups Please let me know your UserName once you create Wiki account. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Jan 18 22:32:31 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:32:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing -- lists with 2-3 Fedora gurus ... In-Reply-To: <20060118204854.M84491@fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060118223231.87705.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thomas Chung wrote: > Hi Bryan, > Would you like me to add you in EditGroup so you can add > those LUGs by yourself? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups > Please let me know your UserName once you create Wiki > account. Just FYI, I had registered many months ago as "thebs." I have switched my name to "BryanJSmith" (it said "BryanSmith" was taken?) I have edited the page. I took the liberty of reordering groups by state instead of city (like it was prior). It looked odd after I added my entries and the states were all jumbled around. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------- *** Speed doesn't kill, difference in speed does *** From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 22:36:35 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:06:35 +0530 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing -- lists with 2-3 Fedora gurus ... In-Reply-To: <20060118223231.87705.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118223231.87705.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43CEC2F3.2000701@redhat.com> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >Thomas Chung wrote: > > >>Hi Bryan, >>Would you like me to add you in EditGroup so you can add >>those LUGs by yourself? >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups >>Please let me know your UserName once you create Wiki >>account. >> >> > >Just FYI, I had registered many months ago as "thebs." >I have switched my name to "BryanJSmith" (it said >"BryanSmith" was taken?) I have edited the page. > >I took the liberty of reordering groups by state instead of >city (like it was prior). It looked odd after I added my >entries and the states were all jumbled around. > > Ok. Thank you. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From tchung at fedora.redhat.com Wed Jan 18 23:24:30 2006 From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:24:30 -0800 Subject: Please add your LUG to the Listing -- lists with 2-3 Fedora gurus ... In-Reply-To: <20060118223231.87705.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118204854.M84491@fedora.redhat.com> <20060118223231.87705.qmail@web34107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060118232236.M45064@fedora.redhat.com> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:32:31 -0800 (PST), Bryan J. Smith wrote > Just FYI, I had registered many months ago as "thebs." > I have switched my name to "BryanJSmith" (it said > "BryanSmith" was taken?) I have edited the page. > > I took the liberty of reordering groups by state instead of > city (like it was prior). It looked odd after I added my > entries and the states were all jumbled around. > > -- > Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance > b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com Hi Bryan, I created a #REDIRECT for BryanSmith so you can use this UserName in Wiki. See the changes in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 18 23:32:04 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:02:04 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core on PowerPC systems Message-ID: <43CECFF4.9050004@redhat.com> Hi An interesting article providing a comparison between Fedora and YellowDog on PPC systems http://lowendmac.com/crews/05/1221.html -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Jan 19 06:13:09 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:13:09 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core on PowerPC systems In-Reply-To: <43CECFF4.9050004@redhat.com> References: <43CECFF4.9050004@redhat.com> Message-ID: <43CF2DF5.6040501@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > An interesting article providing a comparison between Fedora and > YellowDog on PPC systems > > http://lowendmac.com/crews/05/1221.html > Nice read. Though it kind of makes me wonder what is going to happen to the PowerPC desktop systems as Mac is going to pretty much ditch them. Looks good and I hope Fedora could get the same degree of attention to details as described for YellowDog. Not only for Macs for for other machines too (though Macs are more consistent in their function keys mapping) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDzy30XM+XOp70dwoRAjcpAJ9Ddq+bwVnAj82LeF+i/mIjRySc6wCeJqb+ Af2i2puOcrhP7gtPn4seIR4= =/PZL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Jan 19 19:16:31 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:46:31 +0530 Subject: Fedora Core on PowerPC systems In-Reply-To: <43CF2DF5.6040501@prodigy.net.mx> References: <43CECFF4.9050004@redhat.com> <43CF2DF5.6040501@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <43CFE58F.9040606@redhat.com> Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>Hi >> >>An interesting article providing a comparison between Fedora and >>YellowDog on PPC systems >> >>http://lowendmac.com/crews/05/1221.html >> >> >> >Nice read. Though it kind of makes me wonder what is going to happen >to the PowerPC desktop systems as Mac is going to pretty much ditch >them. Looks good and I hope Fedora could get the same degree of >attention to details as described for YellowDog. Not only for Macs for >for other machines too (though Macs are more consistent in their >function keys mapping) > Starting file bug reports and enhancement reports. There are quite a few developers in Red Hat and Fedora involved in PPC systems. Organizations like IBM and Freescale will probably continue producing PPC systems and there is a significant amount of legacy Apple mac systems that need a future. Fedora could provide that. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From kevinverma at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 19:37:56 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:07:56 +0530 Subject: Default wallpapers to breeze Developers & Enthusiastic Fedora users Message-ID: Hello, Before composing this email, I simply wanted to suggest a wallpaper signed by Illiad to be added as one of the Default Wallpapers shipped into Fedora (I am not saying the Default pre-set) http://images.google.co.in/images?hs=gUz&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=evil-gen.jpg&btnG=Search&sa=N&tab=wi Beyond this thought I feel it would be a very nice idea that Fedora marketing team can identify few of the Guru developers, Book authors, OSS/GPL mentors/biz guys and find if they are impressed with Fedora and will like to sign off a wallpaper for Fedora Project and preferably related/based to one their work. If the idea in the above paragraph seems any good, maybe it will also be a good point to take a full testimonial account, than just the comment and a signed wallpaper :) for the FP wiki. Cheers, From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Jan 19 19:42:43 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:12:43 +0530 Subject: Default wallpapers to breeze Developers & Enthusiastic Fedora users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CFEBB3.2050801@redhat.com> Kevin Verma wrote: >Hello, > >Before composing this email, I simply wanted to suggest a wallpaper >signed by Illiad to be added as one of the Default Wallpapers shipped >into Fedora (I am not saying the Default pre-set) >http://images.google.co.in/images?hs=gUz&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=evil-gen.jpg&btnG=Search&sa=N&tab=wi > > Doesnt look all that good for a generic release set. It might be wicked cool but thats the audience we are aiming for in Fedora... >Beyond this thought I feel it would be a very nice idea that Fedora >marketing team can identify few of the Guru developers, Book authors, >OSS/GPL mentors/biz guys and find if they are impressed with Fedora >and will like to sign off a wallpaper for Fedora Project and >preferably related/based to one their work. > >If the idea in the above paragraph seems any good, maybe it will also >be a good point to take a full testimonial account, than just the >comment and a signed wallpaper :) for the FP wiki. > > I do have an idea whom to ask for in such things. If you have a list of people, go ahead and approach them on behalf of this team. Good luck. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sankar at redhat.com Fri Jan 20 06:27:37 2006 From: sankar at redhat.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:57:37 +0530 Subject: Default wallpapers to breeze Developers & Enthusiastic Fedora users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D082D9.7080805@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Verma wrote: > Beyond this thought I feel it would be a very nice idea that Fedora > marketing team can identify few of the Guru developers, Book authors, > OSS/GPL mentors/biz guys and find if they are impressed with Fedora > and will like to sign off a wallpaper for Fedora Project and > preferably related/based to one their work. For what it is worth, I had in mind an idea of starting off a banner signing thing beginning this year's Fedora presence at LinuxAsia 2006 (IndLinux.org have made this into a big photo op :) ) Regards Sankarshan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD0ILZ+g4kmZ76nyERArxAAKCIl++tGteDNJd7zqylWL4GKGVXNQCeKx41 I7W+v7FrR9TusnM/toaXTyk= =2oun -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kevinverma at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 13:17:38 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:47:38 +0530 Subject: [dubailug] Please add your LUG to the Listing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/22/06, Todd Walton wrote: > On 1/17/06, Kevin Verma wrote: > > Dear Dubai Lug Co-coordinators, > > > > This is a kind request for you to add your Linux User Group to Fedora > > Project LUG Listing on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups > > Ho hum. The majority of these LUGgers are SuSE users. Spam... > > -todd Dubai LUG is now added to the Fedora Project LUG listing, please let us know if there are any errors. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups In any case, Fedora is a Linux distribution and SuSe is also a Linux Distribution, and yours is a Linux User Group. However SuSe is not a bad Linux Distribution we appreciate the efforts and the competition, we hope you will have more Linux users in your area over the years. We will certainly be glad to delegate Fedora Ambassadors in your region, if any of you seems to be interested please find more information on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Many Thanks, Kevin Verma Ambassador Fedora Project, INDIA From kevinverma at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 13:52:47 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:22:47 +0530 Subject: Introducing Fedora Ambassadors Program Message-ID: John, I recall all your great efforts you have put into Dubai LUG from my last years experience at UAE. At Fedora Project, we welcome you to please review Fedora Project and the Fedora Project Ambassador program in more details on the following URLs. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors http://www.redhat.com/magazine/014dec05/features/ambassadors/ While Fedora Ambassadors are expected to fulfil their aims in their territory, Fedora foundation supports the Ambassadors by shipping Free CDs and T-Shirts. With the help of Ambassadors in all the regions, having enough developers, testers and users helps define Fedora better and better Operating Systems, also your region achieve its localized requirements. Please let me know how you review above all, and if you'll be interested or if you can pass us some references. Yours Sincerely, Kevin Verma Ambassador Fedora Project, INDIA From kevinverma at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 14:13:11 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:43:11 +0530 Subject: Introducing Fedora Ambassadors Program Message-ID: Dear Dr. Bentiba, It feels great to acknowledge your efforts to have established first Linux community not just at Sharjah but also at entire UAE. I still remember my visit to your LUG foundation and work place "Etisalat College of Engineering" during August, 2004. It was really nice to have found the most organized LUG room with plenty of workstations providing an ample opportunity to more practical orientations. First of all on behalf of Fedora Project I will like to welcome you to please have your LUG listed on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups Secondly, At Fedora Project, we welcome you to please review Fedora Project and the Fedora Project Ambassador program in more details on the following URLs. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors http://www.redhat.com/magazine/014dec05/features/ambassadors/ While Fedora Ambassadors are expected to fulfil their aims in their territory, Fedora foundation supports the Ambassadors by shipping Free CDs and T-Shirts. With the help of Ambassadors in all the regions, having enough developers, testers and users helps define Fedora better and better Operating Systems, also your region achieve its localized requirements. Please let me know how you review above all, and if you'll be interested or if you can pass us some references of potential Ambassadors at Sharjah. Yours Sincerely, Kevin Verma Ambassador Fedora Project, INDIA From kevinverma at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 03:57:55 2006 From: kevinverma at gmail.com (Kevin Verma) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:27:55 +0530 Subject: fedoraproject.org membership. In-Reply-To: <1137944120.1459.13.camel@server.servdomain.nadlabz.net> References: <1137944120.1459.13.camel@server.servdomain.nadlabz.net> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2006 21:05:20 +0530, Nadeem M. Khan wrote: > Dear Kevin, > > This is with respect to your posts to DubaiLUG about fedoraproject.org. > It seems you've added the LUG even though a majority of people are not > fedora/redhat users. > > Well, we have a LUG based in Navi Mumbai, called LinuxVadaPav. > Currently we are having 213 members - admins, students and OSS > enthusiasts. 95% of our members use RH and a good majority of them are > RHCEs. Although Mumbai has its own LUG (ILUG-BOM), ours is the first LUG > for Navi Mumbai. > > As a moderator and owner of the group, I would appreciate if you add our > group to your project as well. I'm sure our group can provide > enthusiastic ambassadors as well. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linuxvadapav. > > Regards, > Nadeem Khan. > Dear Nadeem, The LUG listing at Fedora site is not a listing of LUGs which might be all Fedora users. Your LUG is now added to the list, not for it is a LUG having lots of Fedora users, but for it is a LUG :-) You might like to understand Fedora Project in more details and offer the same understanding to your LUG members. At Fedora Project we need more and more developers, testers and users. For any kind of contribution, joining us on one of relevant Fedora Project mailing list will be a good start. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Cheers, Kevin Verma Ambassador Fedora Project, INDIA From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Jan 25 00:40:28 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:10:28 +0530 Subject: My desktop OS: Fedora Core 3: Feedback Message-ID: <43D6C8FC.1020405@redhat.com> Hi I have just read your short review[1] on Fedora Core 3. Its rather remarkable timing to be trying out Fedora Core 3 now considering the fast release lifecycle of Fedora. It might be of interest to you that Fedora Core 3 has already transitioned into maintenance mode and to Fedora Legacy - community maintenance project, recently with the release of Fedora Core 5 test 2 as per our lifecycle policy (FC X goes into maintenance when FC Z test 2 is released). Refer to our FAQ - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ and especially http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle for more details. You reference to the network card does not include a model number. It seems from the comments though that what you have been downloading is the firmware of the driver which is not shipped in Fedora due to redistribution restrictions incompatible with Fedora licensing guidelines imposed by many of the wireless hardware manufacturers. The drivers usually are included in the upstream and Fedora kernel though. You have mentioned the issue of dependencies while installing software with RPM. RPM is not a typical end user tool. It is generally better to use yum to install software packages which also resolves the dependencies automatically. Yum also provides the ability to build plugins on top of it and is extensible and flexible. Many of the yum related additional features is available through yum-utils in Fedora Extras repository. This repository can be enabled manually using the instructions available in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras. Fedora Core 4 enables this repository by default which contains over two thousand applications in addition to Fedora Core. Looking forward to your review on future releases of Fedora. Refer to http://fedora.redhat.com/About/schedule/ for the project's public release schedule. Thank you for your interest in the Fedora Project. [1]http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/1659245&from=rss -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 00:54:25 2006 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:25 -0500 Subject: My desktop OS: Fedora Core 3: Feedback In-Reply-To: <43D6C8FC.1020405@redhat.com> References: <43D6C8FC.1020405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910601241654i2ca7e358q1d3cd52ca7b2759e@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I have just read your short review[1] on Fedora Core 3. Here's the really fun part of all this. newsforge ran an article entitled My Workstation OS: Fedora Core 3 Friday April 08, 2005 http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/04/07/1341231.shtml?tid=2 I'm sort of amazed that newsforge decided to run the My desktop article at such a late date. What's your desktop OS of choice? Write an article of less than 1,000 words telling us what you use and why. If we publish it, we'll pay you $100. (Send us a query first to be sure we haven't already published a story on your favorite OS or have one in hand. Shame on you newsforge, shame shame shame. -jef"I wonder... could I get them to pay me $100 to write an article about rhl 6.2 next month?"spasleta From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 26 19:14:08 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:14:08 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Event: Strasbourg (date partly finalised) In-Reply-To: References: <13dbfe4f0512190927v5be0b19bg4524c80372c26cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601261114h2434fff8ya0dc26ecd9e2ed52@mail.gmail.com> On 12/19/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Chitlesh. > Updates: I have secured a booth for the event in Strasbourg: see http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/jl4/stands-assoc -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 26 20:04:52 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:04:52 +0100 Subject: Fedora Events or Not? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601261204v12e99243te73b3a1e1dbcc016@mail.gmail.com> Hello, there, Ive been adding some events to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents till Ive found ----- Enter events that have an assigned Ambassador in the table below, trying to stick to the ascending chronological order. After the event has passed, please move it to the Fedora Events Archive ----- Well, these events that Im adding don't have assigned ambassadors. Should I stop adding events? Maybe If I add these events someone might say, "Wow, I didnt know that in my locality there is a linux event. Ill definitely participate for Fedora" :) So should I break the rule or paste it here in the list and wait for someone to grab an event? Chitlesh GOORAH ps: table's width is severely over 100% -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From tchung at fedora.redhat.com Thu Jan 26 20:20:13 2006 From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:20:13 -0800 Subject: Fedora Events or Not? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601261204v12e99243te73b3a1e1dbcc016@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601261204v12e99243te73b3a1e1dbcc016@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060126201419.M29846@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:04:52 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote > Hello, there, > Ive been adding some events to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents till Ive found > ----- It seems these 4 new events[1] just added are rather too late for us to do anything. Most of them will be held between Feb 14-17 which means we have less than a month to plan or participate. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Comments? -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at redhat.com Thu Jan 26 20:24:08 2006 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:54:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora Events or Not? In-Reply-To: <20060126201419.M29846@fedoraproject.org> References: <13dbfe4f0601261204v12e99243te73b3a1e1dbcc016@mail.gmail.com> <20060126201419.M29846@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <43D92FE8.4050103@redhat.com> Thomas Chung wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:04:52 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote > > >>Hello, there, >>Ive been adding some events to >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents till Ive found >>----- >> >> > >It seems these 4 new events[1] just added are rather too late for us to do anything. > >Most of them will be held between Feb 14-17 which means we have less than a month to >plan or participate. > >[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents > >Comments? > > On an average we probably need to be planning out events atleast three months in advance. Participating in an event as a speaker or a organizing a booth requires a lot of coordination and material which we are unlikely to do a good job with if it is less than one month. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 26 20:29:00 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:29:00 +0100 Subject: Fedora Events or Not? In-Reply-To: <43D92FE8.4050103@redhat.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601261204v12e99243te73b3a1e1dbcc016@mail.gmail.com> <20060126201419.M29846@fedoraproject.org> <43D92FE8.4050103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601261229s6298944ei6ec43e83c17aef17@mail.gmail.com> > On an average we probably need to be planning out events atleast three > months in advance. Participating in an event as a speaker or a > organizing a booth requires a lot of coordination and material which we > are unlikely to do a good job with if it is less than one month. So should I remove them and continue to add the following (though we havent the assigned ambassador for the event) ? 13. DFN-Cert-Workshop "Sicherheit in ... 20355 Hamburg 01.03.2006 02.03.2006 http://www.dfn-cert.de/events/ws/2006/cf... Nagios-Workshop 91058 Erlangen 02.03.2006 03.03.2006 http://www.nagios-wiki.de/doku.php/works... LinuxForum 2006 Copenhagen, Denmark 03.03.2006 04.03.2006 http://www.linuxforum.dk/2006/en Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 09126 Chemnitz 03.03.2006 04.03.2006 chemnitzer.linux-tage.de O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference San Diego, CA, USA 06.03.2006 09.03.2006 http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech LinuxPark CeBIT Hannover, Germany 09.03.2006 15.03.2006 http://www.cebit.de/homepage_e Libre Graphics Meeting 2006 Lyon, France 17.03.2006 19.03.2006 http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/LibreGraphicsM... Novell BrainShare Salt Lake City, UT, USA 19.03.2006 24.03.2006 http://www.novell.com/brainshare UKUUG Spring Conference 2006 Durham, UK 22.03.2006 23.03.2006 http://www.ukuug.org/events/spring2006 LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Australia Sydney, Australia 28.03.2006 30.03.2006 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com.au PHP Quebec Montr?al, Canada 31.03.2006 31.03.2006 http://conf.phpquebec.com/en/conf2006 LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Boston Boston, MA, USA 03.04.2006 06.04.2006 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com Festival Digital de Andaluc?a M?laga, Spain 10.04.2006 23.04.2006 http://www.festivaldigital.org 7? F?rum Internacional Software Livre Porto Alegre, Brazil 19.04.2006 22.04.2006 http://fisl.softwarelivre.org LinuxWorld & NetworkWorld Canada Toronto, Canada 24.04.2006 26.04.2006 http://www.linuxworldcanada.com MySQL Users Conference Santa Clara, CA, USA 24.04.2006 27.04.2006 http://www.mysqluc.com Samba eXPerience 2006 G?ttingen, Germany 24.04.2006 26.04.2006 http://sambaXP.org 4th International Linux Audio Conference Karlsruhe, Germany 27.04.2006 30.04.2006 http://lac.zkm.de/2006 Debconf 6 Helsinki, Finland 14.05.2006 22.05.2006 http://www.debconf.org LinuxWorld Summit Italy Milan, Italy 15.05.2006 16.05.2006 http://www.linuxworldsummit.it LinuxWorld Conference & Expo SA Johannesburg, South Africa 16.05.2006 19.05.2006 http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.za LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Brazil S?o Paulo, Brazil 23.05.2006 25.05.2006 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Japan Tokyo, Japan 31.05.2006 01.06.2006 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Korea Seoul, Korea 05.06.2006 07.06.2006 http://www.linuxworldkorea.com RoboCup Bremen 14.06.2006 20.06.2006 http://www.robocup2006.org/start (sorry copy paste) -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 29 23:53:31 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:23:31 +0530 Subject: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments Message-ID: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> Hi LWN has a look at Fedora Core Test 2 written by Ladislav Bodnar of distrowatch fame. It is a expanded view of distrowatch's weekly comments on Fedora Core Test 2. http://lwn.net/Articles/167316/ A few comments for more information. The switch to a prolonged development cycle for Fedora Core 5 was specific to this release to accommodate major changes within the infrastructure such as the Anaconda changes. Anaconda, the defacto standard among Linux installers has gone into a major "interface surgery" in the words of Bodnar who has questioned the need for such a change. The need for such a change arises to accommodate many of the important new developments the project has brought forward. The switch to yum instead of up2date within Fedora, the formation of Fedora Extras as a complimentary default repository with over two thousand packages etc needed not just a interface change but a core Anaconda revamp in the form of a yum backend. Better consistency of distribution upgrades and planned ability of Anaconda to use Fedora Extras and possibly any custom repository during installation time is a fairly major advantage. The streamlining of the interface is complimentary to this in my opinion. Now why is the new applications such as Beagle, F-spot and Tomboy mentioned in the release announcement but not Mono specifically?. I believe the applications and the functionality improvements they bring into the release is much more important the underlying language it is written under which is why the inclusion of Mono is mentioned in the release notes but not in the release announcement. The review is generally positive in note of other changes such as as the new security improvements(fstack-porter) written by Red Hat developer which was originally part of Fedora Core 4 and backported into the Fedora GCC compiler and now made upstream on the GCC 4.1 as the system compiler for Fedora Core 5. The new look and feel, GNOME 2.14, Firefox 1.5, Openoffice.org 1.01 Pup, package updater are some of the core positive things noted in the review. A few known issues are also mentioned. Kudos to everyone involved in this release. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 30 00:15:42 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:45:42 +0530 Subject: Fedora Events or Not? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601261229s6298944ei6ec43e83c17aef17@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0601261204v12e99243te73b3a1e1dbcc016@mail.gmail.com> <20060126201419.M29846@fedoraproject.org> <43D92FE8.4050103@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601261229s6298944ei6ec43e83c17aef17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43DD5AAE.1030109@fedoraproject.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>On an average we probably need to be planning out events atleast three >>months in advance. Participating in an event as a speaker or a >>organizing a booth requires a lot of coordination and material which we >>are unlikely to do a good job with if it is less than one month. >> >> > >So should I remove them and continue to add the following (though we >havent the assigned ambassador for the event) ? > I think we should let the dates pass before removing the events now that you have added them. I would request relevant regional ambassadors to plan a bit in advance if they want to participate or organize events to avoid last minute hassles. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Jan 30 09:25:48 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:25:48 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi! Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 05:23 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > [...] > A few comments for more information. The switch to a prolonged > development cycle for Fedora Core 5 was specific to this release While we are at the topic already: This fact was badly communicated. There seems to be a whole lot of confusion about the current Fedora release cycle in the community -- for example the german wikipedia-writers have a long discussion about it and nowhere can find a *official* statement [*1] that the nine month cycle for FC5 was only a exception: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Fedora_Core#6_Monate It IMHO would be good if we would have a defined long term release cycle just as Gnome has. And IMHO it should be in sync with gnome somehow (just as Ubuntu has, too)[*2]. E.g. The plan for Fedora Core could be: Always release two weeks after a major gnome release (this would be end of March and end of September). Yeah, sometimes it could slip a week or two if that is needed, but the plan for the version after that one should not slip due to this. Just my 2 cents. CU thl [*1] -- yes, there must be a "nearly official" statement somewhere in the archives of fedora-maintainers or fedora-devel -- I tried to find it, but gave up after 10 minutes [*2] -- Gnome releases every 6 month. RHEL releases round about every 18 Months, so a Fedora release every 6 month would probably fit with the goals for Red Hat, too. -- Thorsten Leemhuis From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 30 10:01:29 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:31:29 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >Hi! > >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 05:23 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > >>[...] >>A few comments for more information. The switch to a prolonged >>development cycle for Fedora Core 5 was specific to this release >> >> > >While we are at the topic already: This fact was badly communicated. >There seems to be a whole lot of confusion about the current Fedora >release cycle in the community -- for example the german >wikipedia-writers have a long discussion about it and nowhere can find a >*official* statement [*1] that the nine month cycle for FC5 was only a >exception: >http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Fedora_Core#6_Monate > > There was no official statement that the release cycle was permanently extended either. People just assumed that. Developers have been communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while now. >It IMHO would be good if we would have a defined long term release cycle >just as Gnome has. And IMHO it should be in sync with gnome somehow >(just as Ubuntu has, too)[*2]. E.g. The plan for Fedora Core could be: >Always release two weeks after a major gnome release (this would be end >of March and end of September). Yeah, sometimes it could slip a week or >two if that is needed, but the plan for the version after that one >should not slip due to this. > Fedora is not solely focussed on the desktop. Tying it up on the GNOME release schedule only makes sense if you are a solely concentrating on the desktop. Fedora Core is more of a general purpose operating system now. Any proposed change for that needs the buy-in from many of the core developers. That really isnt a discussion for marketing. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Jan 30 10:19:52 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:19:52 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 15:31 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 05:23 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > >>[...] > >>A few comments for more information. The switch to a prolonged > >>development cycle for Fedora Core 5 was specific to this release > >While we are at the topic already: This fact was badly communicated. > >There seems to be a whole lot of confusion about the current Fedora > >release cycle in the community -- for example the german > >wikipedia-writers have a long discussion about it and nowhere can find a > >*official* statement [*1] that the nine month cycle for FC5 was only a > >exception: > >http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Fedora_Core#6_Monate > > > > > There was no official statement that the release cycle was permanently > extended either. Exactly. > People just assumed that. Yeah -- but that our fault and not their. > Developers have been > communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while > now. Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. > >It IMHO would be good if we would have a defined long term release cycle > >just as Gnome has. And IMHO it should be in sync with gnome somehow > >(just as Ubuntu has, too)[*2]. E.g. The plan for Fedora Core could be: > >Always release two weeks after a major gnome release (this would be end > >of March and end of September). Yeah, sometimes it could slip a week or > >two if that is needed, but the plan for the version after that one > >should not slip due to this. > > > Fedora is not solely focussed on the desktop. Sure. But a defined long term release cycle has a lot of benefits -- look at Gnome. > Tying it up on the GNOME > release schedule only makes sense if you are a solely concentrating on > the desktop. No -- but if we sync up to the same schedule maybe gcc will sync to it, too. Or xorg, kde. Or maybe even the kernel (okay, that's unlikely). > Fedora Core is more of a general purpose operating system > now. Any proposed change for that needs the buy-in from many of the core > developers. That really isnt a discussion for marketing. Sure. But the reason why I replied to your initial mail in this thread was that there was a lack of a defined statement about the Fedora release cycle. And that's more a marketing problem afaics. CU thl -- Thorsten Leemhuis From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 30 10:26:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:56:13 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DDE9C5.3010805@fedoraproject.org> Hi " There was no official statement that the release cycle was permanently > extended either. Exactly. " How do you propose to solve that?. Do press releases? >>Fedora is not solely focussed on the desktop. >> >> > >Sure. But a defined long term release cycle has a lot of benefits -- >look at Gnome. > > Red Hat developers have been involved in the original decision to move over to a time based release structure. However there are differences between GNOME and FedoraGNOME is typically not consumed by users directly. . They can afford to do fixes in a .1 release. If you look at Fedora, there is a rough time based release but it is not rigid to accomodate various changes that come up in every development cycle. >No -- but if we sync up to the same schedule maybe gcc will sync to it, >too. Or xorg, kde. Or maybe even the kernel (okay, that's unlikely). > > You are talking about a scenario which is highly unlikely on the whole. It simply doesnt make any sense for many projects to switch into a six month release cycle. >Sure. But the reason why I replied to your initial mail in this thread >was that there was a lack of a defined statement about the Fedora >release cycle. And that's more a marketing problem afaics. > > I dont consider that as a documentation problem as such. One attempt to fix it is the weekly reports. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/WeeklyReports. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 30 10:33:38 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:03:38 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> Hi > > >> Developers have been >>communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while >>now. >> >> > >Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. > > Depends on where you get the information from. For example, distrowatch corrected its previous misconception recently. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060123#1 -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Jan 30 10:55:08 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:55:08 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:03 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Hi > > > > > > >> Developers have been > >>communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while > >>now. > >Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. > > > Depends on where you get the information from. For example, distrowatch > corrected its previous misconception recently. > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060123#1 That's not "official" -- the german wikipedia writers of the "Fedora_Core" entry read it there as well but still are not convinced. The last entry in the discussion is: --- Ich lese da: "For Fedora Core 6, we should be going back to the more regular 6-ish months." "Also eher weniger sicher. Warten wir doch einfach mal ab, was da noch so folgt, zumal das eh nicht einmalig gewesen sein kann, da FC4 auch schon sp?ter raus kam" --- Roughly translated: --- I read there: "For Fedora Core 6, we should be going back to the more regular 6-ish months." Thus rather less surely. Let's wait what follows, particularly since that cannot have been unique, because FC4 also came already later" --- -- Thorsten Leemhuis From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 30 10:56:37 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:26:37 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:03 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > >>Hi >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Developers have been >>>>communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while >>>>now. >>>> >>>> >>>Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. >>> >>> >>> >>Depends on where you get the information from. For example, distrowatch >>corrected its previous misconception recently. >>http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060123#1 >> >> > >That's not "official" - > What do you consider official?. How do we communicate all the official information out there to make sure there isnt too many assumptions? -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Jan 30 10:57:48 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:57:48 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DDE9C5.3010805@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE9C5.3010805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1138618668.4435.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 15:56 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > There was no official statement that the release cycle was permanently > > extended either. > >Exactly. " > How do you propose to solve that?. Do press releases? Not worth it IMHO -- a clarification on http://fedora.redhat.com/About/schedule/ would suffice IMHO. A long term plan would even be better. -- Thorsten Leemhuis From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Jan 30 11:20:21 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:20:21 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:26 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:03 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > >>>>Developers have been > >>>>communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while > >>>>now. > >>>Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. > >>Depends on where you get the information from. For example, distrowatch > >>corrected its previous misconception recently. > >>http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060123#1 > >That's not "official" - > > > What do you consider official?. Me? If it is written somewhere on the fedora-webpages. A signed mail to one of the mailinglists from a official person. A press-release. But you should ask what is "official" for journalists or wikipedia-writers. > How do we communicate all the official > information out there to make sure there isnt too many assumptions? At least we *should clarify* wrong or unclear assumptions in the community if they are floating around like this one. How? Red Hat magazine? fedora.redhat.com? Wiki probably is not the best place because I suspect some people don't trust the informations there. -- Thorsten Leemhuis From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 30 11:28:17 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:58:17 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DDF851.50803@fedoraproject.org> Hi >>> >>> >>What do you consider official?. >> >> > >Me? If it is written somewhere on the fedora-webpages. A signed mail to >one of the mailinglists from a official person. A press-release. > >But you should ask what is "official" for journalists or >wikipedia-writers. > > > I am not sure whether journalists or wikipedia writers are picking up the notion of a permanent change release schedule. It has always been the case so far the the release schedule will change based on the release developments that is roughly not but not rigidly time based. >> How do we communicate all the official >>information out there to make sure there isnt too many assumptions? >> >> > >At least we *should clarify* wrong or unclear assumptions in the >community if they are floating around like this one. > >How? Red Hat magazine? > I dont think writing a article exclusively about release changes in Red Hat Magazine is worthy. >fedora.redhat.com? > The schedule page already shows the current release schedule. The next schedule is undecided at this point > Wiki probably is not the best >place because I suspect some people don't trust the informations there. > > I am open to specific ideas. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Jan 30 11:53:53 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:53:53 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DDF851.50803@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF851.50803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1138622033.4435.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:58 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > >> How do we communicate all the official > >>information out there to make sure there isnt too many assumptions? > >At least we *should clarify* wrong or unclear assumptions in the > >community if they are floating around like this one. > >How? Red Hat magazine? > I dont think writing a article exclusively about release changes in Red > Hat Magazine is worthy. Sure, but we have a Fedora Status page there -- one sentence there and the whole situation is clarified. > >fedora.redhat.com? > > > The schedule page already shows the current release schedule. The next > schedule is undecided at this point And that's part of the problem IMHO. CU thl -- Thorsten Leemhuis From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Jan 30 14:24:13 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:24:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138622033.4435.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060130142413.17165.qmail@web34115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > And that's part of the problem IMHO. As an outsider, I disagree. Things get done when they get done. Fedora Core's development continues to show nothing but _disciplined_ software engineering. People who can't see that are just nay-sayers. But with continued results, many former nay-sayers have been silenced since Fedora Core 1. And many of them prefer the greater Fedora Project over what Red Hat Linux was before. "Rahul Sundaram" > I am not sure whether journalists or wikipedia writers are > picking up the notion of a permanent change release schedule. > It has always been the case so far the the release schedule > will change based on the release developments that is roughly > not but not rigidly time based I know *EXACTLY* why that occured. There was this commonly believed falicy that Fedora Core was "epoch-based" and released _exactly_ every 4-6 months _regardless_ of testing. I don't know how many times I've had to re-explain the Development-Test-Core 1:1 from the prior Rawhide-Beta-Release model. But now that Fedora Core 3 and 4 were around 7 months (IIRC) and Fedora Core 5 looks to be 9 months, people now assumed that "oh, I guess it's not epoch-based." From there, people were looking for explainations. Even I have to admit that I started assuming the release cycle was looking more like every 7-9 months. That was not only because Fedora Core 5 took 9 months, but Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 was really based on Fedora Core 2, with only one additional release, Fedora Core 3, before RHEL 4. Fedora Core 1 was clearly more of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 lineage (sans GCC 3.3 instead of GCC 3.2). That would mean only 2 "equivalent GLibC/GCC/kernel" Fedora Core releases before the 18-month Red Hat Enterprise Linux release. In any case, I think it's time to "update" the page with the differences between Fedora Core and Red Hat Enterprise Linux to reflect some of these REAL results through Fedora Core 5. Such as the releases being 6-9 months apart, and not 4-6. And especially talk about the Development-Test-Release model and that it's NOT released UNTIL stable. A lot of pundits (mostly ex-Red Hat Linux users who knew nothing else until they felt "left behind" with Fedora Core, and have never used Fedora Core) hit Red Hat, and refuse to read anything that is not under redhat.com. They are the generators of most of the non-sense you read, and refuse to even consider the actual reality of all the proven Fedora Core releases to date. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------- *** Speed doesn't kill, difference in speed does *** From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Jan 30 18:14:53 2006 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:14:53 -0800 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138644893.2763.31.camel@yoda.loki.me> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:25 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > While we are at the topic already: This fact was badly communicated. > There seems to be a whole lot of confusion about the current Fedora > release cycle in the community -- for example the german > wikipedia-writers have a long discussion about it and nowhere can find a > *official* statement [*1] that the nine month cycle for FC5 was only a > exception: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Fedora_Core#6_Monate I'm confused. Wasn't our original and still official release schedule every 6-9 months? Hasn't every release thus far fallen in that time frame? Won't FC5 fall in that time frame (albeit on the far side)? Where is the confusion coming from? -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Jan 30 19:32:29 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:32:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138644893.2763.31.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <20060130193229.51178.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jesse Keating wrote: > I'm confused. Wasn't our original and still official release > schedule every 6-9 months? > ... > Where is the confusion coming from? It was a combination of things. One was the confusing, albeit understandable (for legal reasons), messages from Red Hat that led to a _lot_ of speculation. There were about 10x as many people and projects just bitching and moaning why they couldn't [ab]use the Red Hat(R) trademark anymore. Two, and more relevant, were pages like the "Which Linux is Right For Me?" and similar that listed only a 4-6 month development time for Fedora Core. It also had all sorts of other comments that would really suggest a lot of things that the nay-sayers just ate up. It was very difficult to deal with that when it was right there on Red Hat's site. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------- *** Speed doesn't kill, difference in speed does *** From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Jan 30 19:59:29 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:59:29 -0600 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5Test2(LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <43DE7021.2060202@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Fedora is not solely focussed on the desktop. Tying it up on the > GNOME release schedule only makes sense if you are a solely > concentrating on the desktop. Fedora Core is more of a general > purpose operating system now. Any proposed change for that needs > the buy-in from many of the core developers. That really isnt a > discussion for marketing. It should then be possible to update GNOME if a new release comes during Fedora's lifespan (and while the previous release is not moved to Legacy yet), just as KDE has been updated from 3.4 to 3.5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD3m/XXM+XOp70dwoRAiSlAJ4irHO+ad7R3fDMNbKnE7ecl7LaogCeKlQg 6Y1oqBJG8e/utDccFkhoyFk= =hOtL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Jan 30 20:04:05 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:04:05 -0600 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5Test2(LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <"113861850 8.4435.37.camel"@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DE7135.4040603@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:26 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > >> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> >>> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:03 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >>> >>>>>> Developers have been communicating that this release >>>>>> cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while now. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. >>>> >>>> Depends on where you get the information from. For example, >>>> distrowatch corrected its previous misconception recently. >>>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060123#1 >>> >>> That's not "official" - >>> >> What do you consider official?. > > > Me? If it is written somewhere on the fedora-webpages. A signed > mail to one of the mailinglists from a official person. A > press-release. > > But you should ask what is "official" for journalists or > wikipedia-writers. > >> How do we communicate all the official information out there to >> make sure there isnt too many assumptions? > > > At least we *should clarify* wrong or unclear assumptions in the > community if they are floating around like this one. > > How? Red Hat magazine? fedora.redhat.com? Wiki probably is not the > best place because I suspect some people don't trust the > informations there. I agree... That's (amongst others) the purpose of the fedora-announce mailing list, is it not? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD3nE0XM+XOp70dwoRAk5wAJ9PSu6LKEU7RvHFUo4xCW+bWECx1ACfcci5 csgJfk30mpjFjeDsZS7wQYw= =5Gvn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 05:10:41 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:40:41 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5Test2(LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DE7021.2060202@prodigy.net.mx> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <43DE7021.2060202@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <43DEF151.90208@fedoraproject.org> Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>Fedora is not solely focussed on the desktop. Tying it up on the >>GNOME release schedule only makes sense if you are a solely >>concentrating on the desktop. Fedora Core is more of a general >>purpose operating system now. Any proposed change for that needs >>the buy-in from many of the core developers. That really isnt a >>discussion for marketing. >> >> > >It should then be possible to update GNOME if a new release comes >during Fedora's lifespan (and while the previous release is not moved >to Legacy yet), just as KDE has been updated from 3.4 to 3.5 > > > Thats what is already happening. Look at the planned inclusion of GNOME 2.14 in FC5 -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 05:11:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:41:35 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5Test2(LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DE7135.4040603@prodigy.net.mx> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <"113861850 8.4435.37.camel"@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DE7135.4040603@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <43DEF187.7010001@fedoraproject.org> Hi >I agree... That's (amongst others) the purpose of the fedora-announce >mailing list, is it not? > A development plan for every release includes many changes. Fedora-announce list is not the place to announce each of these changes in my opinion. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 05:11:58 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:41:58 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <20060130193229.51178.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060130193229.51178.qmail@web34114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43DEF19E.10501@fedoraproject.org> Bryan J. Smith wrote: >Jesse Keating wrote: > > >>I'm confused. Wasn't our original and still official release >>schedule every 6-9 months? >>... >>Where is the confusion coming from? >> >> > >It was a combination of things. > >One was the confusing, albeit understandable (for legal reasons), >messages from Red Hat that led to a _lot_ of speculation. There were >about 10x as many people and projects just bitching and moaning why >they couldn't [ab]use the Red Hat(R) trademark anymore. > >Two, and more relevant, were pages like the "Which Linux is Right For >Me?" and similar that listed only a 4-6 month development time for >Fedora Core. It also had all sorts of other comments that would >really suggest a lot of things that the nay-sayers just ate up. > >It was very difficult to deal with that when it was right there on >Red Hat's site. > > Which ones were wrong specifically? -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Jan 31 05:57:25 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:57:25 -0600 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core5Test2(LWN):Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DEF151.90208@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <43DEFC45.3060800@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> >> >>> Fedora is not solely focussed on the desktop. Tying it up on >>> the GNOME release schedule only makes sense if you are a solely >>> concentrating on the desktop. Fedora Core is more of a general >>> purpose operating system now. Any proposed change for that >>> needs the buy-in from many of the core developers. That really >>> isnt a discussion for marketing. >>> >> >> >> It should then be possible to update GNOME if a new release comes >> during Fedora's lifespan (and while the previous release is not >> moved to Legacy yet), just as KDE has been updated from 3.4 to >> 3.5 >> >> >> > Thats what is already happening. Look at the planned inclusion of > GNOME 2.14 in FC5 > > Yes, but will there be GNOME 2.14 packages for FC4 while it still is "current" and not moved to Legacy, like what was done with KDE? I mean, the common reason given to NOT provide GNOME update packages usually is the ammount of system files or interactions that GNOME has, I wonder if KDE does not have such issues, wouldn't it then be a problem with GNOME's design, then? I totally LOVE GNOME and use it over KDE, but certainly I can't understand Red Hat and Fedora stand on it. I mean, RHEL 4 users will not be able to use a newer GNOME other than 2.6 (or was it 2.8?) until RHEL 5 with GNOME 2.1x. I don't mean to rant over this, is just that I don't seem to fully understand why it is not made that way... Has KDE already moved into Extras? Because in that should free up some hands to improve on GNOME (or am I getting this totally wrong?). Sorry if my comments don't make any sense to anyone but me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD3vxFXM+XOp70dwoRAn7HAJ4r+7KBGWcwc8GC3bflshY2rc6SwACeI8tj DirGyrsU/z9dS9FVPjf6amQ= =eTVz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 06:04:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:13 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core5Test2(LWN):Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DEFC45.3060800@prodigy.net.mx> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <43DEFC45.3060800@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <43DEFDDD.1000602@fedoraproject.org> Hi >> >> >> >> >Yes, but will there be GNOME 2.14 packages for FC4 while it still is >"current" and not moved to Legacy, like what was done with KDE? > Unlikely. > I >mean, the common reason given to NOT provide GNOME update packages >usually is the ammount of system files or interactions that GNOME has, >I wonder if KDE does not have such issues, wouldn't it then be a >problem with GNOME's design, then? > > Thats a question for the development lists. >I totally LOVE GNOME and use it over KDE, but certainly I can't >understand Red Hat and Fedora stand on it. I mean, RHEL 4 users will >not be able to use a newer GNOME other than 2.6 (or was it 2.8?) until >RHEL 5 with GNOME 2.1x. > >I don't mean to rant over this, is just that I don't seem to fully >understand why it is not made that way... > It would be better to ask in the development lists or the maintainer. > Has KDE already moved into >Extras? > No it has not. Such plans are very much undecided. > Because in that should free up some hands to improve on GNOME >(or am I getting this totally wrong?). > >Sorry if my comments don't make any sense to anyone but me. > > > From the development as well as user perspective, what applies to package X does not always apply to package Y. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Jan 31 06:16:19 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:16:19 -0600 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New inFedoraCore5Test2(LWN):Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DEFDDD.1000602@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <43DF00B3.2050306@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > >> Yes, but will there be GNOME 2.14 packages for FC4 while it still >> is "current" and not moved to Legacy, like what was done with >> KDE? >> > Unlikely. This is exactly what I don't understand, would the same apply should Fedora be based on QT and KDE for those packages too, then? > >> I mean, the common reason given to NOT provide GNOME update >> packages usually is the ammount of system files or interactions >> that GNOME has, I wonder if KDE does not have such issues, >> wouldn't it then be a problem with GNOME's design, then? >> >> > Thats a question for the development lists. I guess I'll post this on the desktop mailing list rather than the main devel list, as it is a direct desktop issue more than a distro-wide issue (well... mostly). > It would be better to ask in the development lists or the > maintainer. > >> Has KDE already moved into Extras? >> > No it has not. Such plans are very much undecided. Ahh, I read about this discussion som weeks ago, and I was kind of surprised, actually. > >> Because in that should free up some hands to improve on GNOME (or >> am I getting this totally wrong?). >> >> Sorry if my comments don't make any sense to anyone but me. >> >> >> > From the development as well as user perspective, what applies to > package X does not always apply to package Y. I understand that's not always the case, is just that the recent move to KDE 3.5 and no next GNOME packages got me thinking. That's all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD3wCyXM+XOp70dwoRAkHSAKCFRPZdSMNJOCwJxA18+ReaIpLFMACdF0sr GwgmmAXeBB+2zI/21G3gfnk= =jYIf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 06:20:00 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:50:00 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New inFedoraCore5Test2(LWN):Some comments) In-Reply-To: <43DF00B3.2050306@prodigy.net.mx> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <43DF00B3.2050306@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <43DF0190.2020705@fedoraproject.org> Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>Hi >> >> >> >>>Yes, but will there be GNOME 2.14 packages for FC4 while it still >>>is "current" and not moved to Legacy, like what was done with >>>KDE? >>> >>> >>> >>Unlikely. >> >> > >This is exactly what I don't understand, would the same apply should >Fedora be based on QT and KDE for those packages too, then? > Fedora Core KDE packages are maintained by a single developer and is generally more monolithic than Fedora Core GNOME packages. It is upto the maintainer to determine whether the updates can go into a already existing version of Fedora Core or whether its too intrusive for an update. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Tue Jan 31 06:39:04 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:39:04 -0600 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's NewinFedoraCore5Test2(LWN):Somecomments) In-Reply-To: <43DF0190.2020705@fedoraproject.org> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <43DF0608.1060502@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Fedora Core KDE packages are maintained by a single developer and > is generally more monolithic than Fedora Core GNOME packages. It is > upto the maintainer to determine whether the updates can go into a > already existing version of Fedora Core or whether its too > intrusive for an update. > I'm aware of this. But as you said, I'd better ask to the right list. Thanks anyway to take the time and answer to my inquiries. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD3wYIXM+XOp70dwoRAp6uAJ9ug2f83VcST65vL4e5danuLEUDFQCfSktq aAfSxdEZZwfTwWHXYBW1x5g= =q8hk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 06:56:38 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:26:38 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138622033.4435.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF851.50803@fedoraproject.org> <1138622033.4435.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DF0A26.5010905@fedoraproject.org> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:58 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > >>>>How do we communicate all the official >>>>information out there to make sure there isnt too many assumptions? >>>> >>>> >>>At least we *should clarify* wrong or unclear assumptions in the >>>community if they are floating around like this one. >>>How? Red Hat magazine? >>> >>> >>I dont think writing a article exclusively about release changes in Red >>Hat Magazine is worthy. >> >> > >Sure, but we have a Fedora Status page there -- one sentence there and >the whole situation is clarified. > > Feel free to write a note to fedoranews.org weekly. Fedora status report is just a edited version of that > > >>>fedora.redhat.com? >>> >>> >>> >>The schedule page already shows the current release schedule. The next >>schedule is undecided at this point >> >> > >And that's part of the problem IMHO. > You havent explained why. -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jan 31 08:05:37 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:05:37 -0800 Subject: Kadischi Screenshots in osdir.com In-Reply-To: <1137563395.3434.46.camel@tuxhugger> References: <13dbfe4f0601151040x34411b3dp44aa1ad553f1985f@mail.gmail.com> <1137381023.9058.1.camel@tuxhugger> <13dbfe4f0601160027gb699396r1763e076c1243a6b@mail.gmail.com> <43CB74AF.80400@redhat.com> <13dbfe4f0601160231v3383bf5cg85b7d46e80b6a78a@mail.gmail.com> <7f617d270601171255g3bc90246m9ca6f49488378fbd@mail.gmail.com> <1137559596.3434.39.camel@tuxhugger> <7f617d270601172050h259c8495h1497ce76a8011496@mail.gmail.com> <1137563395.3434.46.camel@tuxhugger> Message-ID: <1138694737.5151.365.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 21:49 -0800, Peter Gordon wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:50 -0500, Alex Maier wrote: > > Yes they should--thanks for volunteering to update them :) > > Cheers, > > I didn't volunteer, actually; just mentioning that to those who > run the Wiki. Although, now that you mention it, I'd be happy to help > edit/review parts of the Wiki if I wasn't so busy with various > projects. :| Regardless, the email exchange about the change took much longer than the change itself. :) Of you go ahead and make a Wiki account, you can get edit access from mostly anyone here, on fedora-websites-list, or on #fedora-websites. http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=551&slide=2 - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora at leemhuis.info Tue Jan 31 11:42:53 2006 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:42:53 +0100 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138644893.2763.31.camel@yoda.loki.me> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138644893.2763.31.camel@yoda.loki.me> Message-ID: <1138707773.2800.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 10:14 -0800 schrieb Jesse Keating: > On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:25 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > > While we are at the topic already: This fact was badly communicated. > > There seems to be a whole lot of confusion about the current Fedora > > release cycle in the community -- for example the german > > wikipedia-writers have a long discussion about it and nowhere can find a > > *official* statement [*1] that the nine month cycle for FC5 was only a > > exception: > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Fedora_Core#6_Monate > > I'm confused. Wasn't our original and still official release schedule > every 6-9 months? Now I'm confused. Wasn't the original and still official release schedule "Fedora Core is released two or tree times a year"? (that would be 4-6 months) Seems it still is: http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html Release Interval Fedora: 4-6 months http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html 10. Produce robust releases approximately 2-3 times per year [...] > Hasn't every release thus far fallen in that time > frame? Up to FC3 is was round about in the time frame: FC1: 5 November 2003 195 days till FC2: 18 May 2004 174 days till FC3: 8 November 2004 217 days till FC4: 13 June 2005 275 days till FC5: planed for 15 March 2006 6 Months: ~182 days > Won't FC5 fall in that time frame (albeit on the far side)? No. > Where is the confusion coming from? Because nobody ever officially wrote down that the nine months time frame of FC5 was a exception. And because we have no long term plan for FC6 and FC7. I know that Suse and Ubuntu always release around March (+/-1 some weeks) and September (+/- some weeks). Fedora is unpredictable. Say you are a journalist and want to tests distributions. You'll do it in April and November, when Ubuntu and Suse are new -- that fedora then maybe is already some months old and has an older Gnome is not your fault. BTW, I know some people that switched to Ubuntu or openSuse because they had Gnome 2.12 (FC4 has 2.10). Ridiculous IMHO, but some people are like this. ;-) BTW, I have no problem when a release slips 2 or 4 weeks due to some issues. But later releases shouldn't be effected due to this. So a "Fedora releases normally at the end of March and End of September" would be a really good idea IMHO. -- Thorsten Leemhuis From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 31 12:13:47 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:43:47 +0530 Subject: development cycle (Was: Re: What's New in Fedora Core 5 Test2 (LWN): Some comments) In-Reply-To: <1138707773.2800.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138644893.2763.31.camel@yoda.loki.me> <1138707773.2800.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DF547B.60000@fedoraproject.org> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 10:14 -0800 schrieb Jesse Keating: > > >>On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:25 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> >> >>>While we are at the topic already: This fact was badly communicated. >>>There seems to be a whole lot of confusion about the current Fedora >>>release cycle in the community -- for example the german >>>wikipedia-writers have a long discussion about it and nowhere can find a >>>*official* statement [*1] that the nine month cycle for FC5 was only a >>>exception: >>>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Fedora_Core#6_Monate >>> >>> >>I'm confused. Wasn't our original and still official release schedule >>every 6-9 months? >> >> > >Now I'm confused. Wasn't the original and still official release >schedule "Fedora Core is released two or tree times a year"? (that would >be 4-6 months) > > > This guideline still is true. >Seems it still is: >http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html >Release Interval Fedora: 4-6 months > > That page is outdated and is not linked from the current website http://fedora.redhat.com. The entire website is scheduled for a transition in http://fedoraproject.org. >http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html >10. Produce robust releases approximately 2-3 times per year [...] > > See above. >>Where is the confusion coming from? >> >> > >Because nobody ever officially wrote down that the nine months time >frame of FC5 was a exception. > The development plans were discussed in fedora-devel list at the start of the release. Developers involved did state that it was the release cycle change was intended only for FC5. Thats as official as it gets. > And because we have no long term plan for >FC6 and FC7. > We decide it when the development work starts. This is how releases are planned for almost every software out there. >I know that Suse and Ubuntu always release around March >(+/-1 some weeks) and September (+/- some weeks). Fedora is >unpredictable. > > Two to three releases as a rough guideline pretty much stands still with Fedora Core 5 being an exception. "BTW, I know some people that switched to Ubuntu or openSuse because they had Gnome 2.12 (FC4 has 2.10). Ridiculous IMHO, but some people are like this. ;-) " There were various third party repositories providing GNOME 2.12 packages in FC4. People interested can always work on a backports repository for Fedora. Trying to providing all the latest packages all the time is a job for the development release and not the GA release in my opinion. Fedora development plans should be decided on the basis of the project goals and the developers involved and not to try and win who is the first race. >BTW, I have no problem when a release slips 2 or 4 weeks due to some >issues. But later releases shouldn't be effected due to this. So a >"Fedora releases normally at the end of March and End of September" >would be a really good idea IMHO. > > If you want to discuss how to do all the changes we did within Fedora Core 5 development especially the major infrastructure changes such as Anaconda, modular Xorg and new GCC as system compiler within the same release schedule as the previous releases feel free to start a discussion in the fedora-devel list. Considering the major work involved, I dont see a way it could have been crammed into a 6 month release cycle. What is the problem with the current release model of doing a public non-rigid time based releases? -- Rahul Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Tue Jan 31 14:58:22 2006 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:58:22 -0200 Subject: [Fwd: fisl7.0: sua proposta de palestra (141)] Message-ID: <43DF7B0E.8000505@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 :-) - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: fisl7.0: sua proposta de palestra (141) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:43:54 -0200 (BRST) From: temario at softwarelivre.org To: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (English version below) Ol? Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira, Temos o prazer de inform?-lo(a) de que a sua proposta de palestra para o fisl7.0, "PROJETO FEDORA BRASIL", foi aceita para apresenta??o no evento. ? necess?rio que voc? confirme a sua participa??o *at? o pr?ximo dia 06 de fevereiro*, atrav?s do "Canto dos palestrantes": https://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/papers/speaker/ L? voc? pode tamb?m conferir as avalia??es da(s) suas propostas e coment?rios dos avaliadores, que podem contribuir para melhorar sua apresenta??o, resumo, ou apenas te dar um retorno dos avaliadores com rela??o ao seu trabalho. Os crit?rios utilizados para a avalia??o podem ser encontrados em: http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Classifica%e7%e3oDasPropostas. Os membros da comiss?o avaliadora est?o listados em: http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Comiss%e3oDeAvaliadores Adotamos uma pol?tica de evitar mais de uma palestra da mesma pessoa, de forma a dar oportunidade a mais palestrantes. Assim, se voc? submeteu mais de uma proposta, ? poss?vel que alguma delas tenha sido recusada mesmo tendo argumento de classifica??o maior que o m?nimo para aprova??o na trilha correspondente. Entraremos em contato daqui a mais alguns dias com informa??e ?teis aos palestrantes. Sauda??es, - -- Comit? de Programa 7? F?rum Internacional Software Livre 19, 20, 21 e 22 de Abril de 2006 Porto Alegre, RS, Brasil http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/ - ------------------------------------------- English version - ------------------------------------------- Hi Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira, We're pleased to inform you that your lecture proposal for fisl7.0, with title "PROJETO FEDORA BRASIL", was accepted for presentation in the event. It's necessary that you confirm your attendance *until next February 6th*, through the "Speakers' corner": https://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/papers/speaker/ There you can also check your proposals' reviews and comments from reviewers, which can help you to improve the presentation, abstract, or just give you a feedback from reviewers about your work. The criteria used for the review can be found at: http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Classifica%e7%e3oDasPropostas. (sorry, for now it's Portuguese only, so if you have any doubt please get in touch). Members of the reviews comission are listed at: http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Comiss%e3oDeAvaliadores We've adopted a policy of avoiding more than a lecture per person, trying to give opportunity to more people. This way, if you have submitted more than one lecture proposal, it's possible that one or more of them have been rejected even with a classification argument greater than the minimum needed to be accpted in its corresponding track. We'll get in touch in a few days with useful information for speakers. Best wishes, - -- Program Comitee 7th Internacional Free Software Forum 19th to 22nd, April 2006 Porto Alegre, RS, Brasil http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/ - -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG V_/_ PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD33sOPg3HAC1vlg4RAkUgAKCooFWPKQPUh3LmWOovWbCjRrHnIQCaA/BN qZ1CJap+hz/IpAisZGlkkqI= =3tYh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gdk at redhat.com Tue Jan 31 15:01:57 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:01:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: "Official" communications In-Reply-To: <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DD557B.7060603@fedoraproject.org> <1138613149.2800.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDE3F9.4060608@fedoraproject.org> <1138616392.4435.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDEB82.7050006@fedoraproject.org> <1138618508.4435.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43DDF0E5.3030000@fedoraproject.org> <1138620021.4435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: We're having a FF board meeting tomorrow. This topic -- "official communications" -- will come up. Will keep you posted. --g --------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Foundation || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors --------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:26 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > >Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 16:03 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > > >>>>Developers have been > > >>>>communicating that this release cycle was only for FC5 for quite a while > > >>>>now. > > >>>Yeah, and it seems that was not enough. > > >>Depends on where you get the information from. For example, distrowatch > > >>corrected its previous misconception recently. > > >>http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060123#1 > > >That's not "official" - > > > > > What do you consider official?. > > Me? If it is written somewhere on the fedora-webpages. A signed mail to > one of the mailinglists from a official person. A press-release. > > But you should ask what is "official" for journalists or > wikipedia-writers. > > > How do we communicate all the official > > information out there to make sure there isnt too many assumptions? > > At least we *should clarify* wrong or unclear assumptions in the > community if they are floating around like this one. > > How? Red Hat magazine? fedora.redhat.com? Wiki probably is not the best > place because I suspect some people don't trust the informations there. > -- > Thorsten Leemhuis > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From lxmaier at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 20:03:27 2006 From: lxmaier at gmail.com (Alex Maier) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:03:27 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: fisl7.0: sua proposta de palestra (141)] In-Reply-To: <43DF7B0E.8000505@projetofedora.org> References: <43DF7B0E.8000505@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <7f617d270601311203k230307c4me5ddf0961ff3dde7@mail.gmail.com> Wonderful, Rodrigo! Congratulations! a On 1/31/06, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > :-) > > - -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: fisl7.0: sua proposta de palestra (141) > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:43:54 -0200 (BRST) > From: temario at softwarelivre.org > To: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org > > (English version below) > > > > Ol? Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira, > > > > Temos o prazer de inform?-lo(a) de que a sua proposta de palestra para o > fisl7.0, > > "PROJETO FEDORA BRASIL", > > foi aceita para apresenta??o no evento. > > > > ? necess?rio que voc? confirme a sua participa??o *at? o pr?ximo dia 06 > de fevereiro*, > > atrav?s do "Canto dos palestrantes": > > https://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/papers/speaker/ > > > > L? voc? pode tamb?m conferir as avalia??es da(s) suas propostas e > coment?rios > > dos avaliadores, que podem contribuir para melhorar sua apresenta??o, > resumo, > > ou apenas te dar um retorno dos avaliadores com rela??o ao seu trabalho. > > > > Os crit?rios utilizados para a avalia??o podem ser encontrados em: > > http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Classifica%e7%e3oDasPropostas. > > > > Os membros da comiss?o avaliadora est?o listados em: > > http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Comiss%e3oDeAvaliadores > > > > Adotamos uma pol?tica de evitar mais de uma palestra da mesma pessoa, > > de forma a dar oportunidade a mais palestrantes. Assim, se voc? submeteu > > mais de uma proposta, ? poss?vel que alguma delas tenha sido recusada mesmo > > tendo argumento de classifica??o maior que o m?nimo para aprova??o na trilha > > correspondente. > > > > Entraremos em contato daqui a mais alguns dias com informa??e ?teis aos > > palestrantes. > > > > Sauda??es, > > > > - -- > > Comit? de Programa > > 7? F?rum Internacional Software Livre > > 19, 20, 21 e 22 de Abril de 2006 > > Porto Alegre, RS, Brasil > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/ > > > > - ------------------------------------------- > > English version > > - ------------------------------------------- > > Hi Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira, > > > > We're pleased to inform you that your lecture proposal for fisl7.0, with > title > > "PROJETO FEDORA BRASIL", > > was accepted for presentation in the event. > > > > It's necessary that you confirm your attendance *until next February 6th*, > > through the "Speakers' corner": > > https://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/papers/speaker/ > > > > There you can also check your proposals' reviews and comments from > reviewers, > > which can help you to improve the presentation, abstract, or just give > you a feedback > > from reviewers about your work. > > > > The criteria used for the review can be found at: > > http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Classifica%e7%e3oDasPropostas. > > (sorry, for now it's Portuguese only, so if you have any doubt please > get in touch). > > > > Members of the reviews comission are listed at: > > http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/Fisl7/Comiss%e3oDeAvaliadores > > > > We've adopted a policy of avoiding more than a lecture per person, > > trying to give opportunity to more people. This way, if you have submitted > > more than one lecture proposal, it's possible that one or more of them have > > been rejected even with a classification argument greater than the minimum > > needed to be accpted in its corresponding track. > > > > We'll get in touch in a few days with useful information for speakers. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > - -- > > Program Comitee > > 7th Internacional Free Software Forum > > 19th to 22nd, April 2006 > > Porto Alegre, RS, Brasil > > http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/ > > > > > > > - -- > +================================================+ > RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA > (o- BACHAREL EM SISTEMAS DE INFORMA??O > //\ FACULDADE METODISTA GRANBERY - FMG > V_/_ > PostgreSQL - PHP - Java - Fedora > +================================================+ > Embaixador do Fedora no Brasil > http://www.projetofedora.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFD33sOPg3HAC1vlg4RAkUgAKCooFWPKQPUh3LmWOovWbCjRrHnIQCaA/BN > qZ1CJap+hz/IpAisZGlkkqI= > =3tYh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org