[fedora-my] Fwd: FW: Tell Your Friends!

[Johann Amin]

This seems to be the same case with a majority of our local graduates 
that I've had the "pleasure" of handling. Study what the teacher tells 
you to study (spot exam questions), don't pay attention to what is 
needed in the market, even if you have to sit around jobless leaching of 
the government, waiting for that RM10,000. So long as your results look 
good on paper, hey job well done.

I'm still trying to figure out if it is the MNC's that are operating in 
this manner because of our local talent or our local talent having this 
mindset because the MNC's operate in this manner. Chicken & egg; Egg & 
chicken.


On 07/29/2009 02:43 AM, Eric Yeoh wrote:
> So working in a foreign outsourced company is working in the real
> world? Man, you just insulted the majority of the IT workforce in the
> country. Malaysia is a country which is mostly SMB/SMEs; so those IT
> guys are in Never-Never Land? What about those who are on their own?
> They don't do real work but you do?
>
> HP also train "system engineers"; care to ask the HP alumni what they
> think of HP? If you were ever worked for HP you would know what I
> mean. What about CSC Malaysia? It's an MNC also; CSC Global used to
> support the US Seventh Fleet. Ask your mates who have worked there.
> EDS? IBM? ACS? DHL?
>
> I started my career with working for and with MNCs for some years and
> trust me, it's nothing more than taichi central; everyone's hiding
> behind procedures and KPIs and what not. Just follow the procedure,
> don't pay attentions to what is not in your JD, even if the server was
> on fire.
>
> Note, that was not cynical, about a year back, just for the heck of it
> got myself interviewed by two interesting Managers from T-Systems who
> actually said that I only needed to focus on the task list and
> procedure I was to be given. Even if I know how to solve a problem but
> it's not within my JD or task list, I should keep quiet. So keep your
> head down, do your work and to heck with other departments, is that
> it?
>
> So as long everything look good on paper and nothing seriously is
> wrong, hey job well done.
>
> I have been in this line for many years now and when I was a
> freelancer I used to be contracted by these IT MNCs to go in to solve
> problems their talents could not. So those are the "real" trained
> engineers?
>
> The benefits in MNCs are good, no arguments there.
>
> We are cheap, that's why they are here, plain and simple. Not because
> we are more talented.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat
> Raslan<sharuzzaman at gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> You are so wrong, Eric.
>>
>> This fresh grad is being hired as system engineers, trained for 6 month to
>> learn the real thing that enterprise Multinational company use.
>>
>> Sorry if your mindset is still stuck in the small company region, but this
>> advertisement did not say that we are just supporting proprietary software.
>>
>> Our environment is a healthy mix of Open Source software and proprietary
>> software, with Open Source is gaining rapid acceptance by our customer.
>>
>> To state the fact, we have 5000+ Red Hat servers and desktop operational,
>> and more than 200 Suse servers being used daily. This kind of environment
>> need real people that understand real Open Source. And also people that are
>> not skeptic, or keep their mind under the coconut shell.
>>
>> Welcome to the real world, Eric.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Eric Yeoh<msiantuxlover at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Nice, another ad for helpdesk. How is that going to further our
>>> promotion of FOSS? Thanks for screwing up the future of fresh grads by
>>> chucking them in call centres. I am sure that will help them much.
>>>
>>> I am sorry but you are putting out an ad to support proprietary
>>> software in a FOSS mailing list. Do not expect to be treated kindly!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat
>>> Raslan<sharuzzaman at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Siau, Swee Furn
>>>> Sent: 28 Julai 2009 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Tell Your Friends!
>>>>
>>>> Interview for Fresh Graduates (IT or IT-related studies)
>>>>
>>>> 1&  2 August 2009
>>>>
>>>> Organized by TSMY HR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan