[fedora-my] Fwd: FW: Tell Your Friends!

[Johann Amin]

On 07/31/2009 11:24 AM, Mohd Hanif wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Following up on your banter towards Zaman's post earlier, I was wondering,
> what is your point really?
>
> You said:
> *Nice, another ad for helpdesk. How is that going to further our
> promotion of FOSS?*
>
> First and foremost, what is wrong with working as a Helpdesk? Can you not
> promote FOSS while at the same time working as a Helpdesk? Even a cook can
> promote FOSS(If they really want to, of course)
>
> I, myself have 2-3 friends who used to be helpdesk a while ago are now
> working as a System Engineer in MNC's company and even one of them are
> starting his own IT-related business.
>
> and ... After all, we need to start somewhere do we?*
>
> *You said:*
> I am sorry but you are putting out an ad to support proprietary
> software in a FOSS mailing list. Do not expect to be treated kindly!*
>
> He was merely advertising a vacancy in his company where he works, I did not
> see any logos or words that he said supporting proprietary software as you
> mentioned?
>    
I feel that job applications/advertising should not be posted on the 
mailing list unless it is specific to the topic of the mailing itself. 
For example, people posting job offers in the ffmpeg mailing list, are 
very specific (most of the time) about the prospect needing to fix 
certain bugs, extend functionality or to build new video filters _FOR_ 
ffmpeg. I don't see (or haven't seen) postings about needing "potential 
and aspiring graduates to join out team in delivering 
_VIDEO_ENCODING_SOLUTIONS_ to customers worldwide" . This advertisement 
doesn't specify anything related to either Fedora/Linux or FOSS.
> Yes we are promoting FOSS, but, we do it the healthy way. I don't want to
> slap my friend just because he uses Microsoft office instead of Open office.
>
> *
> *
>
> 2009/7/31 Eric Yeoh<msiantuxlover at gmail.com>
>
>    
>> Haris,
>>
>> I am attacking the issue not the man. Yes, he has every right to voice
>> his opinions and so can I. But I strongly disagree with what he meant
>> by "the real world".
>>
>> So after being through all the unfortunate events you have gone
>> through at the bank, you would still think it is a good idea to
>> demoralise youngsters so that they can learn "about working in the
>> real world"? And no; to answer your questions, I will not like the
>> audit and the reporting parts, but of course you are already aware of
>> my eventual answer. Who would?
>>
>> Look, you know and I know the many silly things that happens within
>> MNCs. After all you have been through it. As you well said, I am
>> merely stating my point as much as your mate was.
>>
>> And this hostility? I am unsure where it comes from. I make noise?
>>
>> Hmmm...interesting.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Harisfazillah
>> Jamel<linuxmalaysia at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> You pick a wrong person to fight with.
>>>
>>> Numbers of us including Sharuzzaman been through for what you had
>>> written. That include freelancing
>>> for many years, joining SMB and many more things.
>>>
>>> Sharuzzaman has the right to write what he is saying
>>> because he being through that.
>>>
>>> I had work with ICT banking sector for 13 years.
>>> You tell me of any shit that I had been through.
>>>
>>> By doing all the bullshit of paper works, audit,
>>> ISO and many procudures do you think I like it?
>>>
>>> Do you like to be audit by two teams of audit every
>>> month?
>>>
>>> Every servers and jobs that you do will be check
>>> and any different in your reports will be questions
>>> and report to higher level.
>>>
>>> What I want to tell you is this. If we want our
>>> young generation to know and fell what, how and
>>> where to get all the exposure let them join
>>> the big companies and MNC. Let them know
>>> office politics, tendang terajang and know new things
>>> that SMB could not give.
>>>
>>> at the end of the day, they will gain knowledge
>>> that our country need....
>>>
>>> Rather than making noise and keep blaming others
>>> lets fix the problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Eric Yeoh<msiantuxlover at gmail.com>
>>>        
>> wrote:
>>      
>>>> So working in a foreign outsourced company is working in the real
>>>> world? Man, you just insulted the majority of the IT workforce in the
>>>> country. Malaysia is a country which is mostly SMB/SMEs; so those IT
>>>> guys are in Never-Never Land? What about those who are on their own?
>>>> They don't do real work but you do?
>>>>
>>>>          
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