lilo vs grub

Jef Spaleta jspaleta at princeton.edu
Tue Oct 21 04:13:19 UTC 2003


> But how can we claim to be in favor of software choice when at the 
> basic level of the bootloader we can't even let there be a choice for
> those who don't want to use one or the other.

Last call for the reductio ad absurdium express...all aboard....

let's see...basic level things we NEED choice for..well lets see
there is the kernel...we totally so need the ability to choose between
5 or 6 different kernel builds in the default installer. I'd love a big
old monolithic kernel..all that module junk just blows monkey chunks.
And I don't want to be bother to recompile my own...anaconda should give
me a 20 question survey designed to pick exactly the monolithic kernel
to install for my hardware. This isn't rocket science.....

And there is this whole misdirected idea that the 2.2 kernel series is
outdated. I bet some people in the userbase just love 2.2 kernels..why
should we let a silly thing like progress get in their way. I say, lets
at least offer a 2.2 linux kernel and a 2.4 linux kernel as a choice
inside anaconda...seems only fair. I'd go further and say we force users
to make a choice between 2.2 and 2.4. Defaults are for weak minded
people. If you don't know whether you want a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel..then you
shouldn't even be touching fedora install media in my opinion.

I also want a choice of no less than 4 possible vnc implementations when
doing installations with vnc enabled. I think everyone can agree that
different vnc implementations have slightly different features...and
well its important to have choice, so lets not constrict people to using
just one vnc server while doing an install...lets give the user choices
while running anaconda.

I really want a choice of of initscripts too...I mean really...some
people want LSB compliant initscripts...some people want clever
parallelization...no point in trying to make the uberinitscripts..lets
just all agree to disagree and just add 17 options for 17 possible
implementations..thats clearly the best answer.

People, Hellooooo...glibc-audit...c'mon how is this not a choice instead
of glibc. glibc is about as basic as you can get in the system...must
have choice there too.

I also really want a choice of packaging systems. Why are we shackled to
rpm...i mean sure it works for a lot of people...but choice, even at the
packaging system level is important...its very important. We should
strive to offer the user a choice of packaging systems. Its
important...its choice at a basic level...did i mention that its
important, because it is.


-jef"i'd say that keeping lilo as a choice in anaconda on the grounds on
accessibility arguments if grub is found lacking in that regard...but
only if the installer itself is not suffering from accessibility issues
worse than grub. Can a sight impaired user interact with anaconda to do
an install? If not...then having an accessibility impaired grub as
"default" in anaconda is not the big accessibility issue"spaleta




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