A rant regarding LILO and various other related issues

[Guy Fraser]

Bravo.

Very well put.

On Wed, 2005-13-04 at 21:11 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote:
>   I'd like to make a suggestion to those other than John Morris who have
> posted to this thread railing against grub.  Read John's post (the first
> one titled 'A rant regarding LILO and various other related issues' and
> study it HARD.
>   And then thank him.
>   Why?  Because HIS rant got at least my attention for one reason[1].
> And that is that he didn't start off by directly insulting developers.
> You want help?  You want attention to whatever problems you are having?
> You darn well better show some decency and respect to those from you are
> looking for help FOR FREE and not refer to them as morons or other
> slurs.  Sure it won't *guarantee* help if John is correct in his rant
> (though I make no judgment in favor or against what he described at this
> time), but it will most definitely guarantee that you do get ignored
> when you insult people.
>   This isn't about inflated egos.  It's about basic self respect.  You
> wanna push someone around, then go back to the schoolyard.  Or maybe a
> Debian mailing list ;-).
> 
> [1] Not only did it get my attention, but it convinced me that lilo does
> in fact need to still be included at least for FC4, but should the
> problems that are now claimed to be fixed, truly BE fixed in the latest
> version of grub, then lilo should, finally, disappear from FC5.  The
> point being that the software RAID 1 bug was JUST purportedly fixed (and
> needs testing).  Lilo should be included until FC4 gets wider (non-
> testing) exposure.  But I do believe that lilo support should be removed
> from the installer, but release notes (or some entry in a Wiki) could be
> provided for doing an install and then, before the reboot, manually
> installing lilo and running it.  That release note should also strongly
> urge anyone who has to take those steps to file bugs with *detailed*
> information about their hardware and configuration.
> -- 
> -Paul Iadonisi
>  Senior System Administrator
>  Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist
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> 
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