FC5T2 ready for even a test release?

[Jim Cornette]

Horst von Brand wrote:
> Jim Cornette <fct-cornette at insight.rr.com> wrote:
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>>The major reason that I used the everything install in the recent past
>>was the lack of packages that I liked being marked down the list and
>>not selectable without using the everything installation choice.
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> Did you report that obvious bug?

I filed a bug for FC5T1 but not for problems where I just selected 
everything and un-installed the language packages later. I should have 
filed a bug related to the specific packages I wanted but were not 
selectable.

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>>Another reason for the rational resurrection of the everything install
>>is because of groups of packages that are modularized and which bring
>>up a lot of needless clicking on selections.
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> 
> Did you suggest a better layout?

The layout in the FC5T2 is a great layout and it is obvious that a lot 
of thought was put into the new installer. The problems that I see now 
are related to programs which do not show up on the installer selection 
screen. Also I see a problem where programs that are quite a deal less 
useful are not de-selectable and must be rpm -e useless-package after 
the installation is completed. The groups might be tailored where core 
libraries that are used by the major program do not show selectable, but 
individual front-ends to CLI programs or programs that can be removed 
without major dependency issues. This type of selection ability would 
appease a large spectrum of users.

> 
> Besides, after wanting "everything", you talk about "useless packages"
> being selected...  now which one is it?

The major gripe was that gftp is not selected as a usual program to 
install and gnome-screensaver is not selectable. I use gftp frequently 
and choose it along with mozilla-mail and the rest of the suite. I also 
need to manually select mc and a few other programs. It is mainly a 
gripe where programs that I do not use are default and programs where I 
find very little redemption to are installed without having the initial 
ability to not select the program.

I do not think that I would select an everything install with the shape 
that pirut and the installer are in now. I do feel that users should be 
able to opt for a full install if they desire to install everything.

As someone stated, webmail companies added this feature so users can 
manage their systems better. Also, RHN used to have a select all feature 
and the feature came in handy to save steps. I see no problem with 
adding a way that one can set the installer to install everything and 
then be able to work their way down to smaller sets of selected packages.

Jim


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