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Re: Could tthere be an update iso distribution



On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 13:21 -0600, Jonathan Berry wrote:
> On 3/16/06, Dan Thurman <dant cdkkt com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:48 -0700, jeff wrote:
> > > Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 10:48 -0700, jeff wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Dan Thurman wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>But regarding this release, because Fedora has a program (called kudzu)
> > > >>>that is behaving ungracefully, I would say that allowing this release to
> > > >>>proceed without a fix is just incredulous to me because it is FEDORA's
> > > >>>PROBLEM (even if it was caused by the vendor), but since FEDORA's kuzdu
> > > >>>HANGS UMGRACEFULLY, does not BYPASS the problem device or driver, it is
> > > >>>IMHO a flaw in the code or at least in the design.
> > > >>
Definitely a flaw.  It should never hang, but should have a way to
continue even if it fails to properly initialize/identify the device.

> > > >>I don't get the rant here. I'm sure there will be an updated kudzu soon
> > > >>after the release. Why should the whole thing be held up because your
> > > >>proprietary stuff doesn't work? FC5tests have been working great for me.
> > > >>I'm glad they're not holding it up.
> > > >>
> > > >>-Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, easy for you to say for yourself but if you had a problem such that
> > > > you cannot install FC5 because you had a "proprietary" (or misbehaving)
> > > > driver, then I am sure I would be hearing your rants.  To each their
> > > > own, right? :-(
> > >
> > > You can't install at all?
> > >
> > > I thought it was the problem came up after you installed the proprietary
> > > nvidia driver. You could just disable kudzu, if that's the case.
> 
> As far as I know, the only issues with Kudzu have not  been with
> proprietary drivers.  The one I experienced was on x86_64 having an
> nVidia card (using the nv driver).  

My problem exactly.  Brand new install of FC5t3 on an x86_64 and the
nVidia PCIe video did not work at all.

I cannot say I had a problem with kudzu at all, but definitely a video
problem with the nv driver.


> > It is a software problem and it is called kudzu.  I installed NO DRIVERS
> > as kudzu just tries to hardware probe devices and in the case of nvidia,
> > it is the chip-set on my motherboard that somehow is causing kudzu to
> > HANG.  I suspect that kuzdu has a BUG, either by code or by design as
> > it should NOT HANG UNGRACEFULLY!  So, my point is, is that if some other
> > devices (be it software or hardware) has any symptoms mimicing nvidia
> > then it too will cause kudzu to hang, possibly.  Just because it SEEMS
> > like a nvidia problem, the fact is, that kudzu should NOT HANG as it
> > is a MAJOR PROGRAM during the boot process!  If you happen to have a
> > device that does this, should you rant too, to be fair?
> 



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