Fedora Unity Re-Spin

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

John Summerfield wrote:
> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>> Joachim Frieben wrote:
>>> Given that updates do rarely harm to a release, wouldn't it be 
>>> simpler to
>>> set upsomething like a cron job for creating automatic respins from 
>>> what is
>>> availableat a certain moment without any warranty for it?
>>> Ubuntu does release daily images which either work or not. You know 
>>> it and
>>> youdecide to take it or not. Unity spins used to be released quite 
>>> scarcely,
>>> and this
>>> was not optimal from a user's point of view.
>>> Regular snapshots could even be tagged based on user feedback in 
>>> order to
>>> labelbad ones, but again this should rarely happen anyway. ~jf
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Contrary to what you suggest; updates usually manage to break 
>> something in a release, when the installer is being rebuilt with those 
>> updates. We've seen it happen again and again.
> 
> Let me see, did you say you've had 40 sign up for testing and only five 
> provide feedback (that's a pretty good rate of response btw)?
> 
> I wouldn't say that what you are doing right now is working really well.
> 

Please log a bug at http://bugs.fedoraunity.org or Bugzilla, make sure 
to assign it to me.

> I suggest that
> 1. You fix the URL in your sig

I'm sorry, I don't have any signature in my email at all, what URL are 
you referring to?

> 2. When you make an announcement such as the one we're discussing right 
> now, you include a para about the project and why I'd want to try it.

It wasn't really an announcement but I see what you mean. The 
announcement sent out yesterday I think does a better job.

> 3. You rethink your website. I read the front page and couldn't figure 
> from its content what you do. "bring unity to the Community?" I'd not 
> noticed anything more than the usual amount of discord here, maybe less. 
> No memorable flamewars (unless in threads I've ignored) since the 
> emergence of F8. Is there some disunity I've missed?
> 

I do hope you didn't just read that part and walked away, as I think the 
rest of that page does explain what we mean with unity, other then the 
suggested disunity. Suggestions are welcome though ;-)

> Give some examples of problems you've actually addressed. You might be 
> providing solutions, but if you don't address something that I see as a 
> real problem, I'm not interested.
> 

I think the examples are in the news-archives; 
http://fedoraunity.org/news/ (mind that it only goes back to F7 re-spins 
as we lost a couple of hard drives since we started with FC5 respins and 
livecd's)

> In
> http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/fedora-8-everything-spin-released 
> you should explain why one might want it. Seriously, I don't know what's 
> different about Fedora Everything compared with the standard Fedora. 

Read the referred message on the Fedora Advisory Board mailing list. I'm 
not sure how you could miss what an Everything spin is. Besides, the 
Everything spin is the answer to a pretty well formulated question, not 
the once-in-a-lifetime offer someone makes you; I don't have to sell it 
to people who don't know what it is, instead people that know what it 
is, now know where to get it.

> Assuming I actually do want Fedora Everything, how is your DVD better 
> than downloading the bits I want at 1.2 Mbytes/sec from my IAP's mirror 
> where it's not charged against my download quotas.
> 

The Everything spin isn't any better, seriously. In fact, other then the 
amount of packages it isn't any different from the release either, in 
any way. We just so happen to be able to do it and release it, and we 
did because it was requested so-and-so many times.

> btw I'm glad to note the use of jigdo, if your announcement lead to my 
> deciding I gotta have it, presumably I can fill the template with more 
> local packages.
> 

Local packages, yes. Packages different from the ones we composed the 
templates with, no, I'm sorry. You could also use your IAP's mirror 
entirely, or a local archiving mirror such as the one I have at home and 
in the office.

> 4. Don't be so precious about getting it right all the time; a fedora 
> respin that doesn't go through an extensive beta program of its own is 
> never going to be better than Fedora, and three of the eight continuing 
> threads in my view of the fedora users' list suggest F8 is broken, two 
> failures after software updates and one install failure.
> 

I'm not sure I'm getting your point here. We are being precious about 
getting it right for a couple of very good reasons which I'm sure you're 
not seeing. Let me just say that what we do here (getting it right and 
all that) goes a long, long way.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip