Need assistance

[John Summerfield]

Arne Chr. Jorgensen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Well, I know I must look like a complete idiot, if you happen to read my 
> last
> messages.
> 
> I know you are all well meaning and so on. But I guess you can understand my
> frustration, as at this very moment I have something that looks as a 
> working maschine.
> Some issues was resolved just a couple of days ago. I have never used 
> IRC before, and
> hoped and tried to get it working in time for the meeting. As now I have 
> sound and
> a desktop, etc. I still have not come around to set up an email reader, 
> - so ?


Really, rawhide isn't for beginners. If you want something that will 
(probably) just work, the Fedora 8 is about the best choice for now.

Unless there's something weird and/or unusual about your hardware, a 
desktop with Gnome or KDE should just happen, and then there are several 
GUI-based email clients you can use including
1. Evolution. Not my choice, but Red Hat thinks it's good for you
2. Thunderbird
3. Seamonkey Mail
4. Kmail, part of KDE

For browsing the wibbly web there are
1. Firefox
2. Thunderbird
3. Konqueror

I don't do IRC, but I think there at least three clients there too.

Getting source at the commandline is as simple as
yumdownloader --source kernel

If you want a character-based email client and don't like mutt, then 
this will get you the one I prefer
yum install alpine

If you insist on running Rawhide (or Suse's cooker), expect to get 
flayed (or cooked). They're bleeding edge and prone to sudden breakage 
without your doing anything except (maybe but I won't guarantee it's 
necessary) installing some updates.




> For more then 1 year, I have not been able to download email. Imagine 
> having to
> browse the wikipages with lynx, or a desktop in which most buttons fall 
> outside the
> screen. Imagine installing fedora under such circumstances.
> 
> Imagine trying to get your hands on the source code, while what you are 
> looking for
> isn't supplied. You cannot recreate, compile anything. I did manage to 
> get something

The source code _is_ supplied to everything in Fedora (and should you 
want it, Red Hat Enterprise Linux). One thing Red Hat is good at is 
releasing source code.

> from rawhide with only "half" answers as what to do, an attempt to 
> recreate the missing parts.
> 
> When I ask about such things like, could someone please give me an 
> example of
> the command line for the python.bugzilla I did install, as all I get is:
> 
> xmlrpclib.ProtocolError: <ProtocolError for 
> bugzilla.redhat.com/xmlrpc.cgi: 500 Internal Server Error>
> 
> When I ask, what is it suppose to output - the answer is that use a 
> script, while
> they are not willing to share or tell you what it is.

I for one had never heard of python.Bugzilla. I'm not at all surprised 
responses were scarce.

> 
>  >>
>  >> I am happy to just be a "guest" - don't need any write access or 
> much of anything.
>  >>
>  > You shouldn't need a fedora account then, you can leave this for later.
>  >
> 
> Well, when I said "guest" - it was because earlier answers did somehow 
> indicate unwillingness or doubts regarding account.
> 
>  >>
>  >> But earlier - when you supplied me with how to get PGP key and such,
>  >> things broke, and resorted to other ways of getting stuff.
>  >
>  > Ways of getting what?
>  >
> 
> For instance - they way first instructed as to download or get some 
> code, and
> such.
> 
>  >
>  > If you don't need to edit the wiki or provide other
>  > contributions (like packages, documentation) you don't need to do 
> anything with
>  > gpg at all. To test and post to the list you don't need to bother 
> with that.
>  >
> 
> Right, but some of the info and suggestion we have discussed here, would 
> have
> to be written one day, or all my questions and your answers has all been 
> for nothing.
> But, okay..I may spend some more time, attempting to get my own server 
> up and running,
> write what ever I like - some could then check it out and see if anyone 
> would view
> it as valuable for sharing or not.
> 
>  From my point of view, to find out how that key-stuff works, would be 
> interesting,
> as it could be valuable for use on my own server.

You don't need keys to set up your own server. You don't need keys until 
security matters, and until you're ready to go public then you might as 
well just create your own. Probably google, properly instructed, will 
tell you how. Try this, including quotes:

"how to" install and configure a secure web server on linux

> 
>  >
>  > To test and post to the list you don't need to bother with that.
>  >
> 
> Okay, fine.. I understand what you say - but ..well, to test what ?

What do you want to test? Whatever it is, install it and learn to set it 
up and use it. When it breaks, ask google first and then (maybe) the 
list. If it's broken (and almost everything in Rawhide is until proven 
otherwise) report it. If you can propose a fix, do that too.


> I am not happy to "test" anything in which I don't receive some insight 
> and understanding. When I explained that I only received server errors 
> in my attempt
> to resolve that PGP Key, I consider that as part of testing:
> 
> a) the user enter something wrong
> b) there is a 'bug' or something that cause the error.
> 
> Bugzilla Bug 243172: APIC-Error "timer not connected to IO-APIC  - well, 
> what
> is it ? Is a 8254 timer there ? ( I designed I/0 controller cards, made 
> them, programmed them for more then 20 years ago. Do they really use 
> that old chip ? )

1. Software is harder than hardware.
2. Probably something software-compatible with it. Some of the Z8000 
stuff's around, Sun uses the SCC (or did recently)


> And I have the APIC documents, and of course I like to know what this is 
> all about.
> I have also pointed out what seems to be the error - so ? we should have the
> kernel source code ? )
> 
> To test and file bugs, well..I have tried to help a bit, see
> Bugzilla Bug 436644: Tgif does not work - I redesinged Tgif 18 years 
> ago, made
> a new application.
> 
> I am not that interested in filing bugs, but I do need to know all about 
> how
> the system works in order to test out some new ideas about how the whole 
> process
> could be done.
> 
> People have called, and shipped me half across the globe, in order to 
> solve computer
> problems where OEM and other "experts" failed. But that is years ago, 
> and hardware
> and programs are much more difficult today. So much that none have 
> solved some of
> the issues with my hardware. And it is pretty hopeless when you cannot even
> get your email. To not be able to do anything for a whole year, because 
> nothing
> will drive or boot your hardware. And Vista has been a lot of trouble 
> too, besides
> it doesn't run anything I am interested in.
> 
>  >
>  > To test and post to the list you don't need to bother with that.
>  >
> 
> Well, most can do that, so why the heck should I struggle with it in 
> textmode,
> with no mailreader, without some decent computers running ? 
> 
> When things crashed, I got a temporary solution in receiving your 
> emails, but
> without access to download it. I asked if you had archeives, if there 
> was a treaded
> list, - but no, answer I got was "don't think so, and besides the things 
> change
> so fast, why bother ?" 
> 
> Here I have struggled to collect answers, understand stuff, but without 
> being able
> to participate - for a damn year. And 2 days ago, I learn that you do 
> have an archeive, and it is even threaded !!!!

If you'd done your research, google would have found it for you. In the 
sig to some of my emails, depending on which computer I'm on at the 
time, there are some links. I think you need to read the documents they 
point to.