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2009-04-29 - Fedora QA Meeting recap

Full IRC transcript available at

= Attendees =

* Will Woods (wwoods)
* Adam Williamson (adamw)
* James Laska (jlaska)

= Previous meeting follow-up =

* [adamw] - post to fedora forums asking for feedback on pulseaudio
** Posted to http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=220343
** Not a large number of negative responses

= Autoqa update =

* wwoods noted there have been no updates since last week
* jlaska said that Jon Stanley enabled the TRAC instance on
http://autoqa.fedorahosted.org and will begin adding tasks for the
issues discussed during last autoqa meeting w/ jkeating and wwoods
* jlaska+wwoods confirmed that things were on track for enabling
automated test results sent to autoqa-results by F-11-GA

= F-11-GA Prep =

jlaska expressed interest in trying to identify a more specific date QA
can plan for a hand-off from releng.  The current
schedule] has a big window for "prepare and test" from 2009-05-12 to
2009-05-21.  Wwoods noted that it depends on what the blocker list looks
like, there's no reason to build a RC if there are known blocker bugs.
Jlaska agreed, but noted it's difficult to plan QA time for testing the
RC without specifics.

There was discussion around the F11Blocker bug and several strategies
for reviewing the ~76 blocker bugs in the next 2 weeks.  Consensus was
to divide up the bugs by component groups, which is currently what adamw
has been doing for xorg-x11 bugs.  The agreed components to review were:

* SELinux - wwoods
* pulseaudio driver issues - wwoods
* installer - jlaska
* xorg-x11 - adamw
* Volume control - adamw

= Call for Virtualization test cases =

jlaska noted that the upcoming Virtualization test day needs volunteers
to help define test cases for the test areas already specified.  Adamw
recommended putting a call out to fedora-test-list for volunteers.

= Open discussion =

== Failing disk icon ==

Seems to be a commonly reported issue on fedora-test-list (see

== Updated preupgrade package ==

* wwoods announced a new version of preupgrade

 new version (1.1.0), some new code, lots of bugfixes
 it now attempts to enable new versions of every [enabled] repo on your
 so you should get upgrades with updates + rpmfusion 
 switched from bzr to git

== Yum upgrades between Fedora releases ==

Adamw noted a https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494046 which
breaks yum upgrade from f10 to f11 within a gnome terminal.  The bug is
currently on the F11Target bug list.

wwoods discussed this issue with skvidal and indicated skvidal plans to
get that bug onto the common bugs page.  Wwoods will also be the lucky
recipient of any future yum upgrade bugs.

jlaska asked if upgrading to a new fedora release was a documented
upgrade path.  According to the installation guide
(http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/sn-upgrade-tree.html) it is not.  Jlaska also asked if it was worth adding a section about "Upgrading using yum" that would include a '''strong''' message advising against it.  Wwoods felt this should be kept as an undocumented behavior.

= Upcoming QA events =
* 2009-04-30 - [[Test_Day:2009-04-30|SSSD]]
* 2009-05-05 - [[BugZappers/Triage_days]]
* 2009-05-07 - [[Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization|Virtualization Test
* 2009-05-14 - [[Test Day:2009-05-14 iBus|iBus Test Day]]

= Action items =

* [jlaska] - transfer autoqa tasks into TRAC instance with milestones
* [      ] - ensure the failing disk drive issue is tracked in bugzilla
and get a Release note documented for running smartctl

F11Blocker bug review
* [wwoods] - review SELinux bugs
* [jlaska] - review anaconda bugs
* [adamw] - continue review of X11 bugs and volume control issues

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