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Re: yum

Seth Vidal wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, John Summerfield wrote:

Seth Vidal wrote:

If stdin is not a tty, don't ask, but do it if "--force" so that it can still be scripted.

yum has the protect-packages plugin.

It does more or less what you mention above.

It's not installed on my RHEL-clone system. I don't have a useful Fedora system at present, so I can't check that.

Unless yum-protect-packages is part of the standard set of installed packages, it's not going to be very effective.

I see a lot of yum plugins listed but uninstalled, I don't know what most of them do. Perhaps more of them should be installed as part of the base installation, and users directed to configure them.

If you install the protect-packages plugin with base it plays hell with things like mock and chroot construction - which is part of the reason

Then the suggestion isn't really done. I've not used mock (but I might), and I have done chroot maintenance, and wouldn't want to do anything to make it hard to do so again.

it is not installed in base. We can work around it - but we've not had much demand for it.

I can understand that, it's taken years for me to get around to suggesting it. Still I think it's something that should be done, properly.

And considering the lack of detail here I don't see that demand increasing overly much.

I tried to be clear, but like whoever wrote these, I may have assumed too much:
Name       : yum-kmod
Arch       : noarch
Version    : 1.1.16
Release    : 13.el5.centos
Size       : 17 k
Repo       : base
Summary    : Yum plugin to handle fedora kernel modules.
URL        : http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/yum-utils/
License    : GPLv2+
Description: Plugin for Yum to handle installation of kmod-foo type of kernel modules, when new kernel versions are installed.
Name       : yum-aliases
Arch       : noarch
Version    : 1.1.16
Release    : 13.el5.centos
Size       : 16 k
Repo       : base
Summary    : Yum plugin to enable aliases filters
URL        : http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/yum-utils/
License    : GPLv2+
Description: This plugin adds the command alias, and parses the aliases config. file to enable aliases.

If you wish to have this protection then you can install it. It's pretty simple.

I'm talking about improving Fedora (and RHEL), not about fixing any problems I have. If a package, as installed, lacks a particular feature, I'm more likely to assume the feature doesn't exist than to look for optional extras. Looking for optional extras for each package - I have 1227 installed on my desktop system - that lacks some feature I would like doesn't scale well.

If the optional extra doesn't work in some (undocumented) circumstances, then I agree, it's not generally usable.

I for one would vote for more integrated[1] functionality, and fewer optional extras. Some might be turned off by default - not everyone should use fastestmirror for example. Yum commands to manipulate plugins (and repos) would be handy:
yum list plugins
yum enable plugin fred
yum disable plugin fred
"plugin" and "plugins" should be synonymous, people are likely to use either and become frustrated when they guess wrongly.

1 "Integrated" might be satisfied by inclusion in a standard install, I don't mean to prescribe how they should be written.



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