[Freeipa-devel] [PATCH] use same labels as UI in output for ipa-finduser and ipa-findgroup

[Simo Sorce]

On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 11:53 -0500, Karl MacMillan wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 11:04 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 16:29 -0500, Karl MacMillan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 16:12 -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote:
> > > > Karl MacMillan wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 14:20 -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote:
> > > > >> Use same labels as UI for ipa-finduser and ipa-findgroup
> > > > >> Add -a option to ipa-findgroup to print all attributes
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Karl opened a ticket on this today and while it doesn't need to happen 
> > > > >> by tomorrow I already had this in one of my trees.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> More work is needed on other utilities, I'll punt on that for now.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Pushed - so this doesn't change the labels, just aligns them. I think we
> > > > > should also change the labels to, e.g. First Name from Given Name.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Karl
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > IIRC the First vs Given name stuff was done for i18n reasons.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Which - I think - doesn't make sense. Either it is translated, which it
> > > won't be in the first verision, or you just use the US English version.
> > > Using Given Name is a compromise that makes no one happy.
> > > 
> > > So I say use something natural in US English and get a localized version
> > > soon.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Given_name
> > 
> > Given name is quite ok. :-)
> 
> That article gives no help really. It agrees with me:
> 
> "In the United States, first name is the most common form,"
> 
> And with you:
> 
> "although given name is often encountered on official documents"
> 
> (actually, this seems like crap to me - take a look at
> http://www.irs.gov/, the W-4 for example asks for first and last name
> which seems like the norm to me)
> 
> The reason I care about this, though, is that in showing others the gui
> the first response has been confusion over Given Name, Common Name, etc.
> They are jarring to me as well.
> 
> Again, I'd rather fix this w/ localization in the long term, but for the
> short term I think using something overly-generic is just confusing.

Over the long term I hope we will just stop this stupid thing about
first name and last name and middle name fields.
We will have just one field, as anything else is going to be
incompatible with one or another language, for sure with system accounts
and be confusing anyway.

Simo.

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