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Re: [Freeipa-devel] Tomcat Realms and Directory Server
- From: Simo Sorce <simo redhat com>
- To: Adam Young <ayoung redhat com>
- Cc: freeipa-devel <freeipa-devel redhat com>, pki-devel redhat com
- Subject: Re: [Freeipa-devel] Tomcat Realms and Directory Server
- Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:04:36 -0500
I haven't replied to this summary so far for 2 reasons.
I had little time to ponder it (and Java is not my forte) and it is
still a bit up in the air.
I am a bit concerned about the relatively unstable/young support for
some of the tech that would have to be involved, but on the other hand I
tend to like the approach of better in depth security, auth forwarding,
and isolation of instances and credentials used.
I think you should keep exploring this area and see what works and what
I wonder if the session work we are doing for the main IPA framework can
be used in some way to simplify part of the work you are doing.
Unfortunately working in Java may be an obstacle in this sense as we
plan to use python native marchalling/unmarshalling of objects in the
session cache, but keep in mind this may be an avenue to offload most of
the auth/session management work to the IPA framework and simplify your
credential management at least when dogtag is integrated with IPA.
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 13:10 -0500, Adam Young wrote:
> One issue I have been looking at recently is how to integrate PKI and
> IPA at the auth level while keeping a clean separation.
> We can extract the authentication from the servlet code, so it is
> purely a matter of configuring the Tomcat instance Realm.
> I wrote up a Proof of concept for just doing pure LDAP using simple
> bind, which is not a bad starting point.
> We want to continue this approach, but use a more secure authentication
> method. We won't be using basic auth, and we won't be using simple bind.
> There are two forms of authentication we want to support: Client
> Certificates and Kerberos. Certificates will work as they do now, and
> Kerberos will be for passing through user credentials from IPA, through
> HTTP to CS. In both cases, the data that backs it will be stored in
> the DS instance.
> Tomcat has a class classed a CombinedRealm:
> That might support stacking Certificate and Kerberos auth on top of
> each other. The Realm will then delegate to LDAP for extracting the Roles.
> Kerberos is typically done using a JAAS Realm. I have to admit I don't
> really like the fact that we have to modify the JVM startup to do so, it
> is not really that big of a deal. I was also not a fan of setting the
> Realm up as a single service ticket until Simo informed me that the
> Browser NEGOTIATE mechanism assumes that the Service ticket is going to
> be Named HTTP. This means that for Proxied implementations, to include
> IPA, we will have to share the Service Principal Identity with the
> Apache HTTPD server.
> However, once you start digging in, you will find that the solutions
> are suboptimal. It turns out that the Negotiate auth-method has only
> very recently been supported, and that is only on Tomcat7.
> The best resource I have found on the options for a custom realm is here:
> and the most likely option
> We really want a mix of the KRB5Login Module and the JNDIRealm. That
> seems to be what is described here:
> We should target Tomcat 7 for Dogtag:future. Fedora 16 ships with
> I suspect that the CombinedRealm approach will not support falling back
> from one auth-method to another: I've been looking and have not see it
> specified that you can put multiple auth-method entries inside a
> login-config in the web.xml. Ideally, we would attempt a Certificate
> based authentication first, and then fall back to Negotiate. However,
> we can say that a given deployment is going to be either Kerberos or
> Client Certificate, and swap out the configuration at the Tomcat
> level. I don't like that nearly as much.
> The document here: http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SSLWithFORMFallback
> talks about how to do Client Cert with a fallback to Form based
> authentication. We'd want to do Client Cert with a fallback to Krb5.
> This is using what is called a Valve. In Tomcat 6 and 7 valves have
> been deprecated in favor of Filters. The general approach is the same.
> I'd like to keep the idea of the Realm as the primary approach. If we
> do have to build a custom Realm, and I suspect that we will, we might
> want to spin it off into its own package, or submit it for Inclusion in
> Tomcat 7 upstream.
> It seems that the PKI approach has been to Bind as Directory Manager.
> What I would like to target moving forward is that the Bind is done as
> the user making the web request. For managed operations that require a
> higher level of authentication, we use the concept of queues like we do
> now. The threads that manage those queue will use a Principal with a
> higher level of authorization: not "Directory Manger", but perhaps "CA
> Manager" which is a user we create that manages the CA subtree in the
> Directory server. For a Dogtag deployment without IPA, the CA Manger
> would have write privileged on the Identity subtree. For integrated
> deployments, IPA would have its own principal "IPA Manager" that
> would not have read or write capabilities in the CA Subtree. DRM,
> TKS and other subsytems would in turn also get their own Manager users,
> and they would only have permissions to manage their own trees: we will
> need to clear up which gets read and write permissions on which other
> Directory Manager would be limited to performing operations that effect
> the entire DS instance: Setup and Replication.
> The Directory Manager, CA Manager, IPA manager users should be binding
> with a certificate or a keytab, not with a cleartext password.
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Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York
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