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Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services



Julius has it correct I fear.  You need to carry as many tscals as simultaneous connections.

On 7/16/07, Kemp, Levi < lnkemp bolivar k12 mo us> wrote:
Dave,
        So for example I have one LTSP lab and one Legacy app I'm wanting to use. If I have 30 users logged in and wanting to open that one app off of a terminal server through the LTSP server I only need one device cal? Or do I need 30 user cals as well since 30 users will be accessing the terminal server. If it is only the device cal how do I set that up? My LTSP server is authenticating to the AD so each user is logged on using their AD account, is that an issue?

Levi Kemp



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        From: k12osn-bounces redhat com [mailto:k12osn-bounces redhat com ] On Behalf Of David Hopkins
        Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:42 AM
        To: Support list for open source software in schools.
        Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services


        Julius,

        If you notice, I said I carry enough device cals to cover my thin clients. However, I have device cals, not user cals, and the MS agreement is per device that is connecting.  Technically, I have exactly 3 devices which are connecting, the 3 LTSP boxes, and as picky as MS is in enforcing whatever rules favor them, I find it ironic that I could get by with just 3 device cals.

        Now, that said, MS has also tried to force businesses to only use User cals so that when a user leaves, the cal goes with them.  At a school, this would be silly since students leave every year. Anyhow, not trying to start an argument on this.  Just found it interesting.

        Sincerely,
        Dave Hopkins



        On 7/11/07, Julius Szelagiewicz <julius turtle com> wrote:



                On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Hopkins wrote:

                > I don't agree with this way of viewing it. Rdesktop is running from LTSP
                > server. And, if you go to the Terminal Services Licensing Manager on the
                > Windows TS, you'll see exactly 1 connection showing up, not matter how many
                > thin clients are connected.  I have 3 LTSP servers, and the most I have ever
                > had is 3 licenses being used, even with 150 thin clients in use.  I think MS
                > didn't think of this loophole.
                >
                they most certainly did - the licensing is per user, no matter how the
                server sees it. if you use their software, you should pay for it, no
                matter the value you get out of it.
                julius







                > On 7/10/07, Krsnendu dasa <krsnendu108 gmail com> wrote:
                > >
                > > If you run the screen script, isn't rdesktop running as a local
                > > application on the terminal? If so it would have a different ip
                > > address. i.e. another device
                > >
                > > Of course if you run it through the server it would have the same ip
                > > address, but as Rob mentions below they have probably set it up that
                > > you can't access more than once from one ip address.
                > >
                > > On 11/07/07, Rob Owens < rowens ptd net> wrote:
                > > > Personally I think that if MS's technical measures don't prevent the
                > > > "one device loophole", then it is ok to do.  Like you said, I'm sure MS
                > > > would want you to pay more, but the fact seems to be that they
                > > > overlooked this--and that's their problem.
                > > >
                > > > -Rob
                > > >
                > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:41:27AM -0400, David Hopkins wrote:
                > > > > A question I asked about the licence, but is dicey is that the device
                > > cals
                > > > > cover 'per device'.  From the windows side, every terminal session
                > > coming in
                > > > > via rdesktop from you LTSP server looks like it is all coming from 1
                > > device,
                > > > > so technically it probably meets the license requirements though I am
                > > sure
                > > > > MS wants to you pay for every client device and not for the terminal
                > > server
                > > > > itself.  I carry enough TSCALS/CALS to cover my thin clients, but I
                > > guess
                > > > > some brave soul could argue the technical aspects with MS if they
                > > wanted.
                > > > > Seems MS pulls the same tricks when it is in their favor.
                > > > >
                > > > > Sincerely,
                > > > > Dave Hopkins
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > On 7/9/07, "Terrell Prudé Jr." < microman cmosnetworks com> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >Roger Morris wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > >John Lucas wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > On Monday 09 July 2007 09:28, Timothy Legge wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Hi
                > > > > >
                > > > > >What is the deal with terminal Services again?  I believe I need the
                > > > > >following:
                > > > > >
                > > > > >1) Windows Server
                > > > > >2) Device/Client Cals for Windows
                > > > > >3) Device/Client Cals for Terminal Services.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >I will be connecting via rdesktop, I assume that is okay as long as
                > > > > >the above is properly licensed.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >Anything else required?
                > > > > >
                > > > > >       Only to configure Terminals Services for "Application mode",
                > > > > >       otherwise the
                > > > > >default is "Administrative mode" which only allows 2 simultaneous
                > > users.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >     to elaborate a little.  in 'admin' mode, no CAL is required,
                > > right?
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >Correct.  You get two CAL's with admin mode automatically...but only
                > > two.
                > > > > >Furthermore, if you've got a userID logged in at the console, then
                > > that
                > > > > >counts as a session.  Thus, Windows XP will give you only one
                > > terminal
                > > > > >server session.  Dunno how that applies to Windows Server; might be
                > > > > >similar.
                > > > > >
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