[katello-devel] Promotions UI - looking for input on naming

[Cliff Perry]

On 07/20/2012 12:17 PM, Brad Buckingham wrote:
> You all are awesome! Appreciate the quick feedback.
>
> I am going to let the thread go for additional inputs until early next
> week; however, I also lean
> towards the latest suggestion, which I believe captures most folks intent.
>
> i.e.
>
> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets
>
> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets History (This one also
> exists in the UI. It was not in my original email, but does show that we
> need to have the 3rd level).
>
I like those ^^^

>
> Cliff,
>
> To your earlier question on thread, the new feature is not a demotion of
> content but an actual deletion of the content from the current
> environment. Example scenario:
> - user goes to the Changesets page (aka Promotions today)
> - navigates to an environment (e.g. Dev)
> - creates a Deletion Changeset
> - adds content to the Changeset (e.g. products, repos, packages...etc)
> - user 'applies' the Changeset (and content in changeset is deleted from
> that environment)
> - any environment before or after that environment remain unchanged

I find it inconsistent that the package/content could be further up the 
environment path... but that is not what is being asked for here :)


Well...
Library holds all content, content in environments has to be in library. 
When you populate content into an environment, we call it today a 
'promotion'. Well, that promotion today ADDs content, it is an addition, 
that we choose to give a fancier word, Promotion. So, when you delete 
the content from the 'DEV' environment, shouldn't we give it the same 
fancier word - demotion. It is the same net-effect, the package is 
removed (removed/deleted/demoted/foreclosed) . :)

I'm not a UDX type guy. I just think the terminology should be 
consistent and won't argue the point further in this thread (I given the 
input which was asked ;)

Cliff

> thanks,
> Brad
>
> On 07/20/2012 01:02 PM, Malini Rao wrote:
>> My suggestion would be -
>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets
>>
>> &
>>
>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Changesets History
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Malini
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Todd Warner" <taw at redhat.com>
>> To: "Mike McCune" <mmccune at redhat.com>
>> Cc: katello-devel at redhat.com
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:51:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [katello-devel] Promotions UI - looking for input on naming
>>
>> On 07/20/2012 12:45 PM, Mike McCune wrote:
>>> On 07/20/2012 09:21 AM, Jason Rist wrote:
>>>> On Fri 20 Jul 2012 09:59:57 AM MDT, Todd Warner wrote:
>>>>> On 07/20/2012 11:55 AM, Cliff Perry wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/20/2012 10:49 AM, Brad Buckingham wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the Katello UI, we currently have the following navigation
>>>>>>> leading to
>>>>>>> the Promotions page:
>>>>>>> Content -> Changeset Promotions -> Promotions (page)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current promotions page allows users to create change sets and
>>>>>>> promote content from the current (e.g. Dev) to next (e.g. Test)
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now in the process of developing functionality to allow
>>>>>>> users to
>>>>>>> also delete content from an environment. This functionality will be
>>>>>>> built in to the current promotions UI; therefore, the UI will now
>>>>>>> support 2 possible actions (deletions and promotions). As a
>>>>>>> result, it
>>>>>>> seems like we should consider the navigation and page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts/opinions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Possible renames might be:
>>>>>>> Content -> Changeset Promotion / Deletion -> Promotions /
>>>>>>> Deletions
>>>>>>> Content -> Changeset Management -> Promotions / Deletions
>>>>>> I like this one the most ^^^^
>>>>>> Content> Changeset Management> Promotions / Deletions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though 'Promotions / Deletions' seems wrongly worded, it doesn't
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> right to me - hurts my ears.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shouldn't it be demotion and promotion?
>>>>>> or Additions / Deletions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or... Delta Sets :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or... Upgrade / Downgrade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure you picked the word 'deletions' because that is what is
>>>>>> happening, without thinking does that term work well with the others
>>>>>> in play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cliff
>>>>> Yeah. But it is a deletion, right? You are not reverting something and
>>>>> you are not... demoting it. Or are you? It almost seems like two
>>>>> different, unrelated actions. I'm with Cliff... is sounds
>>>>> "square-peggish". I'm not sure and am interested in other folks'
>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> -todd
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Content -> Changesets -> Promotions / Deletions
>>>>>>> Content -> ... -> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>> I think I like "Changeset Management -> Promotions and Deletions"
>>>>
>>> what about just:
>>>
>>> Content -> Changesets
>>>
>>> why put the type in the title?
>> YES!
>>
>>> that said, I do like the clarity of Promotions and Deletions because
>>> it helps explain a bit to new users what changesets do.
>> Shove "what changeset do" into contextual help?
>> -todd
>>
>
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