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Re: [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] Allow hibernation on guests



On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:18:03 -0700
Eric Blake <eblake redhat com> wrote:

> [adding qemu-devel]
> 
> On 01/26/2012 07:46 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> >> One thing, that you'll probably notice is this
> >> 'set-support-level' command. Basically, it tells GA what qemu version
> >> is it running on. Ideally, this should be done as soon as
> >> GA starts up. However, that cannot be determined from outside
> >> world as GA doesn't emit any events yet.
> >> Ideally^2 this command should be left out as it should be qemu
> >> who tells its own agent this kind of information.
> >> Anyway, I was going to call this command in qemuProcess{Startup,
> >> Reconnect,Attach}, but it won't work. We need to un-pause guest CPUs
> >> so guest can boot and start GA, but that implies returning from qemuProcess*.
> >>
> >> So I am setting this just before 'guest-suspend' command, as
> >> there is one more thing about GA. It is unable to remember anything
> >> upon its restart (GA process). Which has BTW show flaw
> >> in our current code with FS freeze & thaw. If we freeze guest
> >> FS, and somebody restart GA, the simple FS Thaw will not succeed as
> >> GA thinks FS are not frozen. But that's a different cup of tea.
> >>
> >> Because of what written above, we need to call set-level
> >> on every suspend.
> > 
> > 
> > IMHO all this says that the 'set-level' command is a conceptually
> > unfixably broken design & should be killed in QEMU before it turns
> > into an even bigger mess.

Can you elaborate on this? Michal and I talked on irc about making the
compatibility level persistent, would that help?

> > Once we're in a situation where we need to call 'set-level' prior
> > to every single invocation, you might as well just allow the QEMU
> > version number to be passed in directly as an arg to the command
> > you are running directly thus avoiding this horrificness.
> 
> Qemu folks, would you care to chime in on this?
> 
> Exactly how is the set-level command supposed to work?  As I understand
> it, the goal is that if the guest has qemu-ga 1.1 installed, but is
> being run by qemu 1.0, then we want to ensure that any guest agent
> command supported by qemu-ga 1.1 but requiring features of qemu not
> present in qemu 1.0 will be properly rejected.

Not exactly, the default support of qemu-ga is qemu 1.0. This means that by
default qemu-ga will only support qemu 1.0 even when running on qemu 2.0. This
way the set-support-level command allows you to specify that qemu 2.0 features
are supported.

Note that this is only about specific features that depend on host support,
like S3 suspend which is known to be buggy in current and old qemu.

> But whose job is it to tell the guest agent what version of qemu is
> running?  Based on the above conversation, it looks like the current
> qemu implementation does not do any handshaking on its own when the
> guest agent first comes alive, which means that you are forcing the work
> on the management app (libvirt).  And this is inherently racy - if the
> guest is allowed to restart its qemu-ga process at will, and each
> restart of that guest process triggers a need to redo the handshake,
> then libvirt can never reliably know what version the agent is running at.

Making the set-support-level persistent would solve it, wouldn't it?

> 
> I think we really do need a mode where as soon as the qemu-ga process
> exists, it sends an event, then the qemu side of the virtio bus responds
> to that event by telling the agent what version of qemu is talking to
> the agent, all prior to exposing any agent commands out to management
> apps, thus making the qemu-ga set-level command an automatic part of the
> handshake, and invisible to management apps.
> 


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