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Re: [libvirt] [PATCH RFC]: Support numad



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 06:29:55AM -0500, Bill Burns wrote:
> On 02/28/2012 11:34 PM, Osier Yang wrote:
> >On 02/29/2012 12:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> >>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:33:03AM -0500, Dave Allan wrote:
> >>>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:10:50PM +0800, Osier Yang wrote:
> >>>>numad is an user-level daemon that monitors NUMA topology and
> >>>>processes resource consumption to facilitate good NUMA resource
> >>>>alignment of applications/virtual machines to improve performance
> >>>>and minimize cost of remote memory latencies. It provides a
> >>>>pre-placement advisory interface, so significant processes can
> >>>>be pre-bound to nodes with sufficient available resources.
> >>>>
> >>>>More details: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/numad
> >>>>
> >>>>"numad -w ncpus:memory_amount" is the advisory interface numad
> >>>>provides currently.
> >>>>
> >>>>This patch add the support by introducing new XML like:
> >>>><numatune>
> >>>><cpu required_cpus="4" required_memory="524288"/>
> >>>></numatune>
> >>>
> >>>Isn't the usual case going to be the vcpus and memory in the guest?
> >>>IMO we should default to passing those numbers to numad if
> >>>required_cpus and required_memory are not provided explicitly.
> >>
> >>Indeed, why you would want to specify anything different ? At
> >>first glance my reaction was just skip the XML and call numad
> >>internally automatically with the guest configured allocation
> >>
> >
> >Here the "required_cpus" stands for the physical CPUs number,
> >which will be used numad to choose the proper nodeset. So from
> >sementics point of view, it's different with <vcpus>4</vcpus>,
> >I can imagine two problems if we reuse the vCPUs number for
> >numad's use:
> >
> >1) Suppose there are 16 pCPUs, but the specified vCPUs number
> >is "64". I'm not sure if numad will work properly in this case,
> >but isn't it a bad use case? :-)
> >
> >2) Suppose there are 128 pCPUs, but the specified vCPUs number
> >is "2". numad will work definitely, but is that the result the
> >user wants to see? no good to performace.
> >
> >The basic thought is we provide the interface, and how to configure
> >the provided XML for good performace is on the end-user then. If
> >we mixed-use the two different sementics, and do things secrectly
> >in the codes, then I could imagine there will be performance problems.
> >
> >The "required_memory" could be omitted though, we can reuse
> >"<memory>524288</memory>", but I'm not sure if it's good to
> >always pass a "memory amount" to numad command line, it may be
> >not good in some case. @Bill(s), correct me if I'm not right. :-)
> >
> >Perhaps we could have a bool attribute then, such as:
> >
> ><cpu required_cpus="4" required_memory="yes|no"/>
> >
> 
> Please keep Bill Gray on this thread. He is the author of numad and
> is the best person to answer the above questions.

Bill (Gray),

Can you weigh in here?

Dave

>  Bill
> 
> >Regards,
> >Osier
> 


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