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Re: [libvirt] Questions about the schemas

On 02/18/2013 09:12 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 08:54:35AM -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
This is not in any way critical but simply trying to get a better
idea of the purposes of docs/schemas/*

I recently submitted a patch which needed me to look at and modify
some of the schema files [adding a client-id specification to
dhcp/host].  As I looked them over I wondered what the purpose was
of the schemas.  If you ran virt-xml-validate (which uses xmllint)
and the result is that your file is not validated, then there is a
problem but it is not clear just what the problem is.  On the other
hand, if you run virt-xml-validate and it says the your file is OK
(validated), that only means that it did not find a problem but not
that the file is OK.

For example, the schema says it is valid to specify an IPv6 address
in an IPv4 definition.  The implementing software if kick it out but
the schema says it is OK.

Another example is the (host) name under the dhcp/host definition.
The current schema says this is required but dnsmasq does not
require a host-name specification [I submitted a trivial patch to
make it optional].

So, if the purpose is to kick out obvious errors, this it is OK as
is.  If the purpose to to be definitiive, then more work needs to be

My opinion is that the current situation is "good enough" as long as
valid elements/specifications are not treated as errors.
The schemas are intended to provide a simple "syntax check" for XML
documents that an app has created. eg detect typos in element/attribute
names, or use of elements which don't use or incorrect nesting of
elements. Even for syntax checks though, the schemas a not going to
provide 100% coverage - todo so would make the schemas far more complicated
and it is just not worth the effort. The XML parser is the ultimate
place where 100% complete syntax checks are performed.

What they generally do not do, is provide any kind of "semantic check"
about whether the configuration actually makes sense. For example, the
schema won't tell you that requesting virtio disks with a vmware guest
is semantically invalid. This is left to the virt driver.

Thank you.  This is what I thought was the intent.

BTW, coming up with the schema specifications for the duid hex-character strings was "interesting."


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