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Re: [Linux-cluster] Redhat without qdisk



Hello Emmanuel,

My idea is deferent, a coponent is available and can give me some possibility. 
I don't need this features, why should I add something which can grow problems ;) ?

In my case, problem was also that my storage acces was unstable, so qdisk was very annoying.

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----- Mail original -----
> De: "emmanuel segura" <emi2fast gmail com>
> À: "linux clustering" <linux-cluster redhat com>
> Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Avril 2012 18:05:09
> Objet: Re: [Linux-cluster] Redhat without qdisk
> 
> 
> 
> Hello GouNiNi
> 
> I use cluster with qdisk && master_wins=1 and without heuristic
> parameter and i can tell you, i never found a problem
> 
> I have a normal quetion, if i have a component problem in a cluster.
> What can i do?
> 
> 1:Remove the component
> 2:Look for a solution
> 
> Sorry but i prefer the sencod choice :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 25 aprile 2012 15:48, GouNiNi < gounini geekarea gmail com
> > ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I manage many cluster and I had lot of problem as long as I used
> quorum device.
> Until I remove this, my cluster are stable. I agree whith Lon
> Hohberger and Ryan O'Hara point of view.
> 
> You have to ask you : Do I need specific check (heuristic) or do I
> need scenario like "all but one" ?
> If your answer are "no", please don't use quorum device.
> 
> The only problem you have to correct will be when network
> communication split two nodes. Both think to have quorum and try to
> fence the other (split brain situation). To prevent this, last
> clusterv2 provides redondance ring (not officially supported on
> RHEL5) and RHEL6 have similare feature I think.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> > De: "Gunther Schlegel" < schlegel riege com >
> > À: linux-cluster redhat com
> > Envoyé: Lundi 16 Avril 2012 17:15:52
> > Objet: Re: [Linux-cluster] Redhat without qdisk
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > > But if you have problem with your storage it's normale the node
> > > goes
> > > fenced, because your cluster services depends on storage
> > 
> > Well, no, my clustered services do not depend on SAN storage.
> > 
> > > Or maybe you wold like to have a cluster running without san disk
> > 
> > I need the qdisk for two reasons:
> > 
> > - heuristics
> > - to safely achieve quorum in a two-node-cluster if only one node
> > is
> > up.
> > 
> > regards, Gunther
> > 
> > > Il giorno 13 aprile 2012 11:20, Gunther Schlegel
> > > < schlegel riege com
> > > <mailto: schlegel riege com >> ha scritto:
> > > 
> > > Hi Lon,
> > > 
> > > > > Why redhat made the qdisk as Tie-breakers and some people
> > > > > from
> > > support
> > > > > say it's one optional or some time says is not needed?
> > > > 
> > > > It is optional and is often not needed. It was developed
> > > > really
> > > for two purposes:
> > > > 
> > > > - to help resolve fencing races (which can be resolved using
> > > delays or other tactics)
> > > > 
> > > > - to allow 'last-man-standing' in >2-node clusters.
> > > > 
> > > > With qdiskd you can go from 4 to 1 node (given properly
> > > > configured
> > > heuristics). The other 3 nodes then, because heuristics fail,
> > > can't
> > > "gang up" (by forming a quorum) on the surviving node and take
> > > over
> > > - this means your critical service stays running and available.
> > > The
> > > problem is that, in practice, the "last node" is rarely able to
> > > handle the workload.
> > > > 
> > > > This behavior is obviated by features in corosync 2.0, which
> > > > gives
> > > administrators the ability to state that a -new- quorum can
> > > only
> > > form if all members are present (but joining an existing quorum
> > > is
> > > always allowed).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Is this in RHEL6? I am still trying to solve the following
> > > situation:
> > > 
> > > - 2 node cluster without need for shared storage (no gfs)
> > > - qdiskd in place because of the heuristics.
> > > - Cluster is fine if both nodes have network communication and
> > > heuristics reach the minimum score.
> > > 
> > > Problem: if the shared storage the qdisk resides on becomes
> > > unavailable (but everything else is fine) a node will be
> > > fenced. It
> > > actually happens at the time the shared storage comes back
> > > online,
> > > the node re-establishing the storage link first wins and fences
> > > the
> > > other one. I try to mitigate that with loooong timeout
> > > settings, but
> > > therefore a necessary cluster switch eviction is also delayed.
> > > 
> > > I would really appreciate if the qdiskd would withdraw it's
> > > quorum
> > > vote and not do any fencing at all. The cluster would survive
> > > as
> > > quorum is also gathered if the cluster network connection is
> > > established.
> > > 
> > > best regards, Gunther
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Gunther Schlegel
> > > Head of IT Infrastructure
> > > 
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