[Patternfly] Issues and Questions

[Kyle Baker]

----- Original Message -----
> Howdy,
> 
> The Foreman/Katello teams have been working to integrate Patternfly and have
> come across a few issues/questions that we'd appreciate working with the
> Patternfly team on in order to adopt the library. They are:
> 
> 1. Fonts look off in a few places, for example "warning!" in Open Sans the
> "g" and "!" run together.

This is a combination of Linux rendering and font size. Upping the font base should fix it.

> 
> 2. Others have stated this before, but the base font size of 11px is too
> small.

I agree. We have heard this multiple times and are going to up the base size to 12. This size is standard and does not involve too many major changes to existing elements.

> 
> 3. Buttons feel too small by default (could be driven by font-size).

> 
> 4. Certain elements feel out of date. For example, there are a lot of other
> organizations (google, twitter, microsoft, etc.) that have moved away from
> gradients and square buttons to flatter more rounded designs.

Trends in design are just that. We need to be aware of the trends, but we also need to do what is right for the project in terms of branding, usability, etc. The PatternFly visual language was built specifically for enterprise IT applications. It would not be appropriate to use a UI style built for a consumer mobile app in government systems management software. For PatternFly the basis was to create a simple clean UI that is adaptable in a variety of environments. Something which does not closely follow the trends. Things like square corners exist to eliminate visual noise and are supported by all browsers. The visual design started out as flat, but based on initial tests indicated a gradient was needed to indicate an object is actionable. You will see that the gradients that exist here are very subtle and used sparingly. The goal is to have PattrnFly primarily informed by testing data - the initial results have been positive.

> 
> 5. The border only alerts are less noticeable and in some cases such as
> larger forms create a less readable form adding extra stand-alone horizontal
> lines.

We will look out for this in testing.

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric Helms
> 
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