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Magnus,

The only time I have seen your problem was when I tried to install RH
8.0 and it turned out to be bad computer memory.

Good luck.

 
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: lvm or software raid or both?? (Alexandre Oliva)
   2. Re: Firewall config tools, formerly wqPhoebe2 install report
(Tommy McNeely)
   3. Re: funny messages at boot: hwclock (Tommy McNeely)
   4. Re: menu editing needs testing (Havoc Pennington)
   5. Re: phoebe 0.93 gftp installed, but did not run (snooker tb)
   6. Re: menu editing needs testing (Havoc Pennington)
   7. Re: menu editing needs testing (Havoc Pennington)
   8. Re: how to install phoebe2 without a mouse ? (Bill Nottingham)
   9. Re: funny messages at boot: hwclock (Bill Nottingham)
  10. updating with up2date question (snooker tb)
  11. openoffice problem (Ovidiu 'sod' Moisanu)
  12. Re: how to install phoebe2 without a mouse ? (Tommy McNeely)
  13. Can't install 8.0.93. No problems with 8.0.92, 8.0 and 7.2
(=?iso-8859-1?q?Magnus=20J?=)
  14. funny messages at boot: cache flush (Alexander Volovics)
  15. Re: openoffice problem (snooker tb)
  16. Re: funny messages at boot: cache flush (Panu Matilainen)
  17. Re: funny messages at boot: cache flush (Arjan van de Ven)

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Message: 1
To: John Summerfield <phoebe computerdatasafe com au>
Cc: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: lvm or software raid or both??
From: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva redhat com>
Organization: GCC Team, Red Hat
Date: 28 Jan 2003 15:01:43 -0200
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

On Jan 28, 2003, John Summerfield <phoebe computerdatasafe com au>
wrote:

> t's legitimate to use both, and many people will choose to do so. RAID

> addresses reliability and performance, LVM addresses usability.

And the good news is that you can do LVM atop of a RAID block device.
You're supposed to be able to do it the other way round too, but last I
heard about it, there were bugs that broke it.

-- 
Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:04:48 -0700
From: Tommy McNeely <Tommy McNeely Sun COM>
Subject: Re: Firewall config tools, formerly wqPhoebe2 install report
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com



John Summerfield wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Tommy McNeely wrote:
> 
> 
>>agreed.. FireStarter would be nice in the "extras" section of say 
>>System Tools as "Advanced Firewall Builder" ... but LOKKIT just needs 
>>some re-working... not sure if I could come up with 3 levels 
>>(high/med/low) but I certainly could come up with ON/OFF :) ... maybe 
>>make the current
> 
> 
> I'm not sure I'd classify high/medium/low, but for your simple 
> ex-Windows user, blocking all incoming connections seems right, and 
> maybe you need to block selective outgoing ports and destination 
> ports. Probably you don't want to talk to that slammer virus, for 
> example.

I don't usually block any outgoing traffic... that has always burned me.

The way I understand OUTPUT rules is that it only affects packets 
originating from the firewall machine itself, and it basically only 
restricts ability to connect TO stuff FROM the firewall.. I don't want 
to restrict what I can do.. I want to restrict what others can do to me 
:). Besides, unless there is going to be weekly updates of the "firewall

rules" blocking certain ports for certain viruses would be futile.


> 
> If you're handling the Internet connection for a bunch of Windows 
> boxes, you don't want to leak NETBIOS. True, a client with _one_ XP 
> box attached to a RHL box attached to ADSL and running Clark COnnect's

> firewall logs a lot of blocked leaks.


This type of firewall (involving nat) should be handled by the 
"advanced" firwall builder...I think we need to keep the installer 
(LOKKIT) to be a simple HOST firewall only.. the simpler the better.. 
thats kinda why I vote for ON/OFF and selectable "holes" for 
ssh/www/smtp/etc.


> 
> You probably don't want to accept packets to/from private IP 
> addresses.
> 

That remains up for debate... what if I install a machine on some 
untrusted, but "internal" network .. like wireless... I absolutely want 
to have a firewall, but if I block the reserved private ip ranges, that 
could potentially lead to connectivity issues :)

but... (and this is already getting too complicated) maybe there should 
be a list of interfaces (eth0 eth1 eth2 ...) and a selection for 
"internet" "internal lan" "trusted network"  ??


IMO any "internet" connected interface should -j PublicFilter (below)

##### PUBLIC FILTER
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -m state --state INVALID -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -s 255.255.255.255 -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -d 255.255.255.255 -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -s 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -s 0.0.0.0 -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -s 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -s 172.16.0.0/255.240.0.0 -j MyDROP
[0:0] -A PublicFilter -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j MyDROP [0:0] -A
PublicFilter -s 224.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j MyDROP

(I am sure you can figure out what "MyDROP" does)


> 
> I've spent some time perusing sourceforge. I quite like the look of 
> this, though the interface is a text editor: 
> http://firehol.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Host does this syntax grab you?
> 	transparent_squid 8080 "squid root" inface eth0
> 	
> 	interface eth0 mylan
> 		policy accept
> 	
> 	interface ppp+ internet
> 		server smtp accept
> 		server http accept
> 		server ftp accept
> 		server ssh accept src trusted.example.com
> 		
> 		client all accept
> 		
> 	router mylan2internet inface eth0 outface ppp+
> 		masquerade
> 		route all accept
> 
> 
> I've not tried it, and there are several hundred projects in the same 
> category, many of them firewalls for Linux.

easy for me to understand, but we are talking about the "installer" 
needing to be very very simple... simpler than that... but maybe lokkit 
or some derivitive work could write that code?? :-/


> 
> This looks promising too:
> http://shorewall.sourceforge.net/
> 
> One or two are webmin modules; I can live with that for what I want, 
> but they're not easy replacements for lokkit. I think firehol could 
> be.
> 
> 

I bet there are more firewall builders for linux than you could "shake a

stick at" ... some good some bad... I have not tried shorewall nor 
firehol.. I think I tried firestarter once.. but a while ago...


> 
> 
> 
>>sound good?




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:06:08 -0700
From: Tommy McNeely <Tommy McNeely Sun COM>
Subject: Re: funny messages at boot: hwclock
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

I saw this too....

However, I just noticed my freshly installed machine still says 8.0.92 
.. :(  .. must have not updated the nfs install

Tommy

Todd Booher wrote:
> I see it here as well running on a Compaq EN SFF pc.
> 
> Todd
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Volovics [mailto:awol home nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:35 AM
> To: phoebe-list redhat com
> 
> Anybody else seen this:
> 
> Phoebe2 with all the "up2date's" on a Dell i8100.
> 
> During boot when the kernel messages scroll by on the console, and 
> just before 'Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e', I see what looks like the

> output of '/sbin/hwclock --help' (or hwclock called with the wrong
> function/option) scrolling past.
> 
> Is this the result of the options --arc and --srm being called? (and 
> the results wrongly being displayed on the console (rc.sysinit))
> 
> Alexander
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:10:33 -0500
From: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: menu editing needs testing
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 09:49:17PM -0800, Todd Booher wrote:
> Crash #1:
> 
> Application "nautilus" (process 3198) has crashed
> due to a fatal error.
> (Aborted)
> 
> This happened when I typed 'applications:///' in the nautilus window 
> as a non-root user.

On the first page of the crash wizard (click "submit bug report")
there's a button "show debugging details" - can you click 
that button and get the backtrace?

Even better, do this with the -debuginfo packages installed. ;-)

> Is there an easy way to restore the menu back to it's default config 
> so I can test again from the beginning?

Yep, blow away ~/.gnome2/vfolders/applications.vfolder-info.

Havoc




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:10:12 -0500
From: snooker tb <snookertb comcast net>
Subject: Re: phoebe 0.93 gftp installed, but did not run
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

I did two clean installs from .093 CDs to empty disk and still no go.

First time tar also was broke.

Second time only gftp.

Removing and re-installing the same rpm file fixed it.

bill





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:11:20 -0500
From: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: menu editing needs testing
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:25:58AM -0600, Jens Knutson wrote: 
> >  - the menus do not appear differently with the editable backend 
> >    vs. the current default backend
> 
> Do I have to swap the default-modules.conf files to test this, I 
> assume?

Exactly, swapping the default-modules.conf changes which backend 
you're using. You have to restart nautilus/panel when you swap.

Havoc




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:46 -0500
From: Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: menu editing needs testing
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:12:05PM -0500, seth vidal wrote: 
> >  - deleting menu items works
> yes, but when I delete and it opts for "move to trash" it says that it

> can't be moved to the trash. Is there any reason for it not to be 
> moved to the trash? It's just a launcher entry, right? Can't these be 
> recovered from the trash?

I noticed this but didn't investigate yet. Probably some arcane
implementation issue.
 
> Ideally, to be included in RHL TNV?

Hopefully, yes.

Havoc




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:16:20 -0500
From: Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: how to install phoebe2 without a mouse ?
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

Marius Andreiana (mandreiana rdsnet ro) said: 
> Any option that can be passed at boot to avoid this?

Plugging in a PS/2 mouse. Or using a different motherboard. ;)

> phoebe2 also doesn't detect serial mice,

It doesn't? It should...

Bill




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:18:09 -0500
From: Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: funny messages at boot: hwclock
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

Alexander Volovics (awol home nl) said: 
> Is this the result of the options --arc and --srm being called?

Yes. ARC=yes and SRM=yes were being accidentally written to
/etc/sysconfig/clock.

Bill




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:20:51 -0500
From: snooker tb <snookertb comcast net>
Subject: updating with up2date question
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

Hello,

Can I use up2date on phoebe 0.93 to bring the whole system up to rawhide

release level? Is it done the normal way, registering the system and 
then running up2date?

If not how do I do update the whole system?

I wanted to re-test a few bugs with the latest packages before 
submitting a bug.

bill





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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:08:32 +0200
From: "Ovidiu 'sod' Moisanu" <liste sod cont ro>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: openoffice problem
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

Helo

just installed phoebe 2, and openoffice won't run. Things go like this:

[root gigabyte root]# oowriter
Checking for existing user installation ...   ...   NOT FOUND
Performing first-time installation for user ...

and it hangs here. If required, I can provide a strace output. Anyone 
else ran into this problem?

Software env: Red Hat Linux release 8.0.93 (Phoebe), clean install, all 
             packages
Hardware env: Pentium 4 1.5 Ghz, i845 mainboard


-- 
Best regards,

Ovidiu 'sod' Moisanu

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                                 -- Aaron Stainthorpe--




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:57:09 -0700
From: Tommy McNeely <Tommy McNeely Sun COM>
Subject: Re: how to install phoebe2 without a mouse ?
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

heh.. the machine I installed the other day was AT ... it only had 
serial ports... and I .. um .. dont have any more serial mice anymore...

  and since I wanted to play with LVM, needed to do a graphical 
install... its not THAT hard.. use TAB, SPACE and ENTER.. you can get 
every option I tried to.. remember the old days :)

Tommy

Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Marius Andreiana (mandreiana rdsnet ro) said:
> 
>>Any option that can be passed at boot to avoid this?
> 
> 
> Plugging in a PS/2 mouse. Or using a different motherboard. ;)
> 
> 
>>phoebe2 also doesn't detect serial mice,
> 
> 
> It doesn't? It should...
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:43:48 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Magnus=20J?= <magnus_os yahoo se>
Subject: Can't install 8.0.93. No problems with 8.0.92, 8.0 and 7.2
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

Hello everyone


It is impossible for me to install Phoebe 2 on my SMP
box. The installer hangs in at least 4 different
places.

I've checked the MD5SUM on the iso-files, and they are
correct. I've verified the media in X CD Roast to be
correct, but when I run the media check in the
installer, it always crashes. Even tried replacing the
CD-ROM without any success.
Skipped the media check, then the installer hangs
shortly after X is launched.

Tried ftp and http install. Hangs either during the
check for bad blocks, or during the format when
skipping the bad blocks check.

After all these problems I did a fresh install on
machine without any problems.

Hardware:
1.5 GB
Mobo Tyan Tiger 230
PIII 2x933 MHz
Matrox Millenium G400 16MB
Symbios SCSI
Ran memcheck 3.0 about a month ago without any
problems.

Anyone else seen these installation problems?

Regards
Magnus Johansson


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:42:16 +0100
From: Alexander Volovics <awol home nl>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: funny messages at boot: cache flush
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

While booting phoebe I see the message:
'ide: no cache flush required.' appear 40 times.

What triggers this and why?

Alexander



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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:41:09 -0500
From: snooker tb <snookertb comcast net>
Subject: Re: openoffice problem
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

Ovidiu 'sod' Moisanu wrote:

> Helo
>
> just installed phoebe 2, and openoffice won't run. Things go like 
> this:
>
> [root gigabyte root]# oowriter
> Checking for existing user installation ...   ...   NOT FOUND
> Performing first-time installation for user ...
>
> and it hangs here. If required, I can provide a strace output. Anyone
> else ran into this problem?
>
> Software env: Red Hat Linux release 8.0.93 (Phoebe), clean install, 
> all             packages
> Hardware env: Pentium 4 1.5 Ghz, i845 mainboard
>
I just did a clean install of 0.93 and tried  the same ...
[root sandshark root]# oowriter

OO came up running after doing the first time install. All seemed fine 
on my system.

bill





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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:53:14 +0200 (EET)
From: Panu Matilainen <pmatilai welho com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Subject: Re: funny messages at boot: cache flush
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Alexander Volovics wrote:

> While booting phoebe I see the message:
> 'ide: no cache flush required.' appear 40 times.
> 
> What triggers this and why?

I'm seeing a lot of these too... (on IBM T21) 
Is this something worth tracking or is it just temporary debug code?

-- 
	- Panu -




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Message: 17
Subject: Re: funny messages at boot: cache flush
From: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv redhat com>
To: phoebe-list redhat com
Organization: Red Hat, Inc.
Date: 28 Jan 2003 22:12:45 +0100
Reply-To: phoebe-list redhat com


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On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 21:53, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>=20
> > While booting phoebe I see the message:
> > 'ide: no cache flush required.' appear 40 times.
> >=20
> > What triggers this and why?
>=20
> I'm seeing a lot of these too... (on IBM T21)=20
> Is this something worth tracking or is it just temporary debug code?

temporary code... should be gone already in the rawhide kernel

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