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Re: [Rdo-list] Integration of MidoNet into RDO Manager



On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:24 AM, Perry Myers <pmyers redhat com> wrote:
> On 07/30/2015 12:17 PM, Adam Young wrote:
>> On 07/30/2015 07:14 AM, Perry Myers wrote:
>>>> >Well, for our packages, Fedora and EL would be fairly different. The
>>>> >MidoNet core is written in Java/Scala, so much more (tools, deps) is
>>>> >missing from EL, e.g. gradle and of course lots of artifacts. So we
>>>> >should target EPEL, I guess.
>>> I wouldn't follow Adam's advice here (starting with Fedora). Especially
>>> for the SDN solution which is Java based. That would lead to a lot of
>>> pain and overhead.
>>>
>> Heh...I still stand by it.  But, to be clear:  make sure the parts that
>> you want to ship with RDO are build able on Fedora;  We want to be able
>> to test against as far upstream as possible.  I tend to develop on
>> Fedora and then test against Centos and RHEL.
>
> agree with buildable on fedora, but don't think they need to be
> buildable in fedora.
>
>> For the Java stuff....yeah, it can be a lot of work, but ultimately is
>> worth the effort.
>
> Do I hear you volunteering for the effort here? :)
>
>>  We went through a lot of packaging pain for Dogtag,
>> whcih is part of Barbican...Dogtag was, I think, the first Tomcat
>> Application that got into Fedora.  WIth JPackage etc, getting RPMs for
>> the Software you have is manageable.  But all that is is beyond the
>> string need for the Neutron Plugin.
>>
>> SO, it depends on how far you want to go.  If you only care about
>> getting the plugin into RDO, yeah, you don't need to package the Java
>> code.  If you want to participate in the RDO and Fedora communities, I'd
>> recommend getting the packages done correctly, but that can be done over
>> time.
>
> You can absolutely participate in the RDO community without doing what
> you're suggesting. The only issue would be participating in the Fedora
> community.

FWIW, I'm a long-standing (8+ years) Fedora contributor myself and
I've hold many roles during that time, including that of a Fedora
Packager - and most of the software I packages was written in Java and
built using ant or maven. So I do understand all these points, etc.
But for the MidoNet community, Fedora is not currently a priority.
Let's focus on RDO only here, alright? :)

>> I'd recommend looking into hosting COPR for the components you want to
>> build.  You can start with the easy ones.
>>
>> The Fedora Java team has done a lot of work on getting Maven builds to
>> be able to select only packages that are themselves part of Fedora.  You
>> might be surprised at how much packaging you don't actually have to
>> write today.  As an added benefit, you get code that will help you
>> installing the rest of MidoNet on a RHEL system.

I should probably mention that we use gradle, not maven. But I get
your point. Nevertheless, lots is missing, e.g. Apache Cassandra...

-- Sandro

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