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Re: Smartrpm was (Re: Fedora Core 4)

Andreas Hasenack wrote:

I just today tried yum from FC3 and here are my complaints (bear in mind that
these may have been addressed in a newer version: what I tested was from a
fresh FC3 install):
- yum update gives you absolutely no idea how long the download will take

Knowing your bw, and estimating network traffic, a priorii is no easy, nor yum, problem.

- yum update is *really* verbose. You get pages and pages of data even before
 getting a list of packages which will be upgraded

Verbosity increases the likelihood os diagnosing a problem. Wrapper to redirect
spewage to a log file, and invoke with -y, ain't *THAT* hard if the verbosity annoys.

- yum update can't be aborted: ctrl-c just aborts the current download and
 then yum proceeds to the next one where you have to press ctrl-c again and
 so on.

Blame not yum for this, rpmlib runs with signals masked. If you want/need more responsiveness,
then there is a single call to check-and-exit that may need to be added to rpmlib within
some loops.

- after downloading lots of headers and after lots of screens filled with
 information yum finally showed me what packages would be upgraded/obsoleted/removed.
 Then the packages would be downloaded and, again, there was no indication of
 how long that would take. The ETA displayed was for each package, and not the
 whole download.

See answer to 1).

- yum update also doesn't tell you how big the download is in terms of size
(how many megabytes?)

This could be computed/displayed, but only in units of bytes. I suspect that knowing the
size is not so useful, judging from 2 complaints regarding "how long ...", but only 1 complaint
"how large ...". YMMV.

I too was an apt user during fc1 and 2 but in the middle of fc2 i
switched to yum because it is native, well supported and pretty well
feature laden. I have issues with it like i do with most packages (and

I think that (being native which means it's the official update method for a
distro) is a very important reason. After all, the distro maintainers wouldn't
care if you had a problem with something outside their distro.

If you like apt, then please, by all means, *Use apt!* No one is stopping you ...

73 de Jeff

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