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Re: f8: NetworkManager + runlevel 3 problem



On 11/11/2007, Charles Curley <charlescurley charlescurley com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 09:37:28PM +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> > I feel NM tries to do too much.
> > It would be much better if it concentrated on doing one thing -
> > dealing with WiFi devices - as well as possible.
>
> Gee, the basic Unix philosophy. What a concept!

A commonly abused piece of wisdom - you can define "one thing" anyway
you like, and then say a program should do that one thing, according
to unix philosophy. In this case "dealing with WiFi devices" is not
"one thing". You have several things to do like  identify the
hardware, load the right kernel module, bring the device up, scan for
access points, authenticate, set the route etc etc.

I tell you (collectively all those moaning in this thread) what, if
you don't like the NetworkManager tool, and/or you don't like the
network-scripts based legacy applications in Fedora, here are some
suggestions as to how you can help out:

1) READ and learn about how NM actually works, and realize that this
thread is full of misinformation. Then, contribute code to NM to make
it do what you want.

2) Package other alternatives for Fedora which do fit your needs. You
might think about packaging the following tools:

etcnet: http://etcnet.org/ "/etc/net represents a new approach to
Linux network configuration
tasks."

wicd: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ "a wired and wireless network
manager for Linux"

ifupdown and related gui utilities from Debian.

Really, bitching about what the current options can't do isn't going
to get you anywhere, it's just a waste of time and energy. Filing
bugzillas, and thoughtful RFEs once you understand the problem domain
is much more helpful than filling this list with negativity. Spend the
time to learn a new skill (eg. packaging for Fedora, or writing code)
and contribute to the project.


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