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>    1. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Frank Cox)
>    2. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Robert P. J. Day)
>    3. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT ( Fernando Apestegu?a )
>    4. Re: (fedora) Re: ntfs & nfs on F8 (Jacob (=Jouk) Jansen)
>    5. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Ed Greshko)
>    6. RE: DVD metadata (Roberto Malinverni)
>    7. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Tim)
>    8. Re: home network planning question FC6 (Tim)
>    9. sweep keeps crashing (Tim)
>   10. Re: is your f-spot working in Fedora 8 (Valent Turkovic)
>   11. Re: fc8 no sound (Paulo Cavalcanti)
>   12. Re: Yet more yum help, please (Michael Schwendt)
>   13. Re: wireless- networkmanager (Mike C)
>   14. discrepancy between qtparted/gparted and partition state in
>       F8 (Joachim Backes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:29:54 -0600
> From: Frank Cox <theatre sasktel net>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Cc: Craig White <craigwhite azapple com>
> Message-ID: <20071126012954 98b4115f theatre sasktel net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:01:09 -0700
>
> Craig White <craigwhite azapple com> wrote:
> > English is not the primary language for many of the list users and the
> > point is communication.
>
> Patrick Quinn's primary language, on a balance of probabilities, is most
> likely English.
>
> Point the first:  Both his first and last name is of Irish origin.  It is
> extremely unlikely, though not completely impossible, that his first
> language spoken is Gaelic.  Ireland has two official languages, though,
> English and Gaelic.  However, Gaelic is a minority language even in Ireland
> and most references state that the official languages are "English and
> Gaelic" rather than "Gaelic and English".
>
> Point the second:  Mr. Quinn's message showed a greater-than-minimal grasp
> of the English language; the phrasing and format demonstrated carelessness
> rather than a lack of knowledge, and the signs of great effort normally
> seen in a post by a non- or minimal-English speaker were not present in his
> message.
>
> Point the third:  No capitalization and minimal punctuation were present in
> Mr. Quinn's message.  This is  a further indication of carelessness rather
> than a lack of knowledge, and betrays a lack of any serious attempt to make
> his message correct in any way.  Speed over accuracy, as the old saying
> goes.
>
> Accordingly, Gene Heskett's response was completely appropriate in this
> particular instance.
>
> In my humble opinion, of course.
>
> --
> MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:33:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday crashcourse ca>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
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> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Craig White wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 21:08 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 25 November 2007, patrick quinn wrote:
> > > >hello team fedora
> > >
> > > First thing Patrick, is to learn how to write a presentation,
> > > making proper use of punctuation and grammar.
> >
> > ----
> > Let's not have grammarians on the list please.
>
> normally, i'd be the last to whinge on about taking liberties with
> aesthetics as well :-), but if someone is not just submitting a
> regular post but announcing a new project and inviting collaboration
> at a high level, well, that calls for a little extra effort if you
> want to be taken sufficiently seriously.
>
> rday
>
> ========================================================================
> Robert P. J. Day
> Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry
> Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
>
> http://crashcourse.ca
> ========================================================================
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:00:24 +0100
> From: " Fernando Apestegu?a " <fernando apesteguia gmail com>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID:
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> On 11/26/07, patrick quinn <pferpaddy hotmail com> wrote:
> > hello team fedora
> > me and my team are curentuly working on a reactos
> > (http://www.reactos.org) based os called blackhat which is open source
> > and 100% free.blackhats party piece is its ability to run not only win32
> > but linux applications nativily.blackhat plays host to the latest open
> > source and gnu software and environments .it will ultimately use the
> > gnome interface as the default gui and have xgl alike abilites.i was
> > wondering if you would be willing to put your name to this project amd
> > give you very minor help and in exchange you will have permenant ad space
> > at the top of are webpage and other fedora promotions troughout the os
> > (eg in the welcome center).we will not ask anything of significance from
> > you just giving blackhat some of that unmistakeable fedora charm.i
> > personally am a huge fan of your os and hence the reason we have come to
> > you.we would really aprecieate a reply be it negitive or positive seasons
> > greetings
> > team blackhat
>
> What's the project's site? I couldn't find it.
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:02:31 +0100 (MET)
> From: "Jacob (=Jouk) Jansen" <joukj hrem nano tudelft nl>
> Subject: Re: (fedora) Re: ntfs & nfs on F8
> To: Darkenergy bellsouth net, FEDORA-LIST redhat com
> Message-ID: <07112609023159_22C03EF8 hrem nano tudelft nl>
>
> Darkenergy bellsouth net wrote on 23-NOV-2007 10:56:56.40
>
> >yum install fuse fuse-libs
>
> Both pacakages were already installed. The fuse kernel module in these
> pacakages seems not to support nfs-exports of ntfs shares. I had to install
> a package called fuse-kmdl (I got it from atrpms) to add this
> functionality.
>
>               Jouk
>
>
>
> Bush : All votes are equal but some votes are more equal than others.
>
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >----<
>
>   Jouk Jansen
>
>   joukj hrem nano tudelft nl
>
>   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd
>   Kavli Institute of Nanoscience       tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    dd
>   Nationaal centrum voor HREM              tt      uu     uu  dd     dd
>   Lorentzweg 1                             tt      uu     uu  dd     dd
>   2628 CJ Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd
>   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    dd
>   tel. 31-15-2782272                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd
>
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >----<
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:13:22 +0800
> From: Ed Greshko <Ed Greshko greshko com>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474A8022 6000102 greshko com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 21:08 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Sunday 25 November 2007, patrick quinn wrote:
> >>> hello team fedora
> >>
> >> First thing Patrick, is to learn how to write a presentation, making
> >> proper use of punctuation and grammar.
> >
> > ----
> > Let's not have grammarians on the list please. If this list is going to
> > denigrate to the point where misspellings and grammatical transgressions
> > are to be called out and chastised, I wouldn't want to stay around.
>
> While the grammar was poor in the original message, it doesn't hurt that
> Gene pointed it out.  However, that would be the least of my "worries".
>
> I would think about the following....
>
> 1.  The "blackhat" project is based on "reactos" which is itself in alpha
> release.  Not sure why anyone would start a project based on alpha
> software.
>
> 2.  The OP asks "i was wondering if you would be willing to put your
> name...".   Now is he asking for the "Fedora Project" to put its name on it
> or every individual on the mailing list.  I get the feeling he really means
> the "Fedora Project" since he is trying to entice with "permenant ad space"
> and other gifts for minor help.  (I copied and pasted...so spelling and
> grammatical errors remain.)  If he is asking for endorsement from the
> Fedora Project then I wonder why he posted to this public list.
>
> 3.  "unmistakeable fedora charm"?  Trying to flatter us?
>
> For Frank Cox....the originating IP for the OP is 86.42.209.231 and indeed
> it is located in Ireland.  The message was sent at 2AM GMT.  One could
> suggest the grammar was impaired by Guinness?  :-)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:25:14 +0100
> From: "Roberto Malinverni" <roberto malinverni dico coop it>
> Subject: RE: DVD metadata
> To: <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <002501c83005$debda780$ef07320a MALINVERNI>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> > -----Messaggio originale-----
> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:12:24 +0000
> > From: Timothy Murphy <tim birdsnest maths tcd ie>
> > Subject: DVD metadata
> > To: fedora-list redhat com
> > Message-ID: <ficdu9$1pf$1 ger gmane org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Is there a Fedora program which will record DVD metadata
> > (preferably in XML format)
> > when one inserts a DVD in a DVD reader?
>
> IIRC, ifoinfo can output to XML - otherwise you can try lsdvd (not sure
> about this latter).
>
>
> --
> Il messaggio e' stato analizzato alla ricerca di virus o
> contenuti pericolosi da MailScanner, ed e'
> risultato non infetto.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:41:51 +1030
> From: Tim <ignored_mailbox yahoo com au>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <1196068311 2759 5 camel bigblack lan cameratim com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Gene Heskett,
>
> >> First thing Patrick, is to learn how to write a presentation, making
> >> proper use of punctuation and grammar.
>
> Craig White:
> > Let's not have grammarians on the list please. If this list is going to
> > denigrate to the point where misspellings and grammatical transgressions
> > are to be called out and chastised, I wouldn't want to stay around.
>
> To some point I agree, however that letter - like one or two others we
> see from time to time on this list - is awfully confusing as to what it
> really means.  E-mails for help do need to be clearly understandable, at
> least, even if not brilliantly typed.
>
> That one reminded me of the software brags we'd see for the old Amiga
> software in the 1980s.  Either written by some German who hadn't
> succeeded in translating to English, or some young teenager who'd never
> have made it through school.  Some of it was just plain bizarre.
>
> --
> [tim bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
> 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386
>
> Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5.  Today, it's FC7.
>
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
> I read messages from the public lists.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:55:45 +1030
> From: Tim <ignored_mailbox yahoo com au>
> Subject: Re: home network planning question FC6
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <1196069145 2759 15 camel bigblack lan cameratim com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 22:12 -0600, Tom Poe wrote:
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/media/network.png
> >
> > Here's the narrative:
> > 1]  this is the DHCP/DSL box from Qwest.
> > 2]  this is a Linksys WRT54G wireless broadband router
> > 3]  this is a Meraki wireless access point/router
> > 4]  this is a desktop workstation
> > 5]  this is an asterisk-dedicated desktop for calling/receiving calls
> > with softphone
> >
> > The DHCP/DSL device is already configured and working.  I'm thinking I
> > have to configure the two desktops before I plug them into the router.
> > Can anyone list the info and where I enter it in FC6 to be permanent
> > changes?
>
> I agree with Frank that the extra wireless gadget seems strangely
> redundant.  Though, if you were planning to share the network, it could
> well be best if that second wireless gateway had a separate IP so that
> you can filter things off.  You don't want to share all your private
> stuff publically.
>
> If your DHCP/DSL box has its own IP, you'd use that IP as the default
> gateway address to be configured into the router.  And you'd use the
> router's IP as the default gateway address to be configured into the
> other gear.  Likewise, the router is probably going to act as the DNS
> server for the rest of your network.  Does your router not come with a
> configuration manual?
>
> Chances are that your router can configure all that automatically over
> DHCP, and you only need to set all your clients to use DHCP to set up
> their networking (e.g. use one of the network configuration GUIs on each
> client).  If so, you can probably configure client addresses in your
> router's DHCP server, so that it doles out the same addresses to the
> same equipment each time.
>
> I think it's important that you understand those sorts of concepts
> (whether using automatic or static configuration, where you're doing the
> configuration - centrally or one each device, etc., the relationship of
> how the traffic flows through where) before you work out the specifics.
>
> --
> [tim bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
> 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386
>
> Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5.  Today, it's FC7.
>
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
> I read messages from the public lists.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:15:02 +1030
> From: Tim <ignored_mailbox yahoo com au>
> Subject: sweep keeps crashing
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <1196070302 3336 3 camel bigblack lan cameratim com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Has anybody tried using sweep lately on FC7?  It crashes as soon as you
> try to play a file.  If I run it from the command line, no matter what
> audio file I try, this is the result:
>
> [tim bigblack ~]$ sweep-audio-editor
> sweep: alsa_setup: audio interface does not support host endian 32 bit
> float samples (Invalid argument)
> Floating point exception
>
> It used to work, but I can't remember how long ago that was.  I have the
> same situation on two different computers, so I think it's probably not
> just my hardware.  Though I would like to try and confirm that before I
> go bugzilla-ing.
>
> --
> [tim bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
> 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386
>
> Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5.  Today, it's FC7.
>
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
> I read messages from the public lists.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:49:45 +0100
> From: "Valent Turkovic" <valent turkovic gmail com>
> Subject: Re: is your f-spot working in Fedora 8
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<64b14b300711260149y18da1015kba939d336384d9db mail gmail com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Nov 25, 2007 7:08 AM, John Summerfield <debian herakles homelinux org> 
wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > It looks like it is an issue because on the bug report I send other
> > > people have answeret that they see the same issue...
> >
> > Nobody's saying it's not a problem. If everyone had the problem, it
> > probably would have been fixed before release. Therefore, it probably
> > works for most people.
> >
> > If you gave out a but more information, it might help.
> >
> > What CPU?
>
> Intel Core Duo T2450 @ 2 Ghz
>
> > 32-bit or 64-bit?
>
> 32bit
>
> > If 64-bit, do you have 32-bit installed too?
> >
> > Are you fully up2date? The question's irrelevant if not.
>
> I check for updates every day.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Valent.
>
> > --
> >
> > Cheers
> > John
> >
> > -- spambait
> > 1aaaaaaa coco merseine nu  Z1aaaaaaa coco merseine nu
> > -- Advice
> > http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php
> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >
> > You cannot reply off-list:-)
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:44 -0200
> From: "Paulo Cavalcanti" <promac gmail com>
> Subject: Re: fc8 no sound
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > I could not agree with you more Karl. Over the years on different
> > distro's I've got the sound sorted, and now pulse audio is brought into
> > the equation,
> > and wants to screw the sound up again. I'm sure there are probably some
> > benefits to using pulseaudio, but at the moment all I want is my sound to
> > work, and pulseaudio on F8 is messing with it.
>
> The only thing you accomplish removing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
> is the suppression of this file:
>
> [cascavel:/etc/alsa] more pulse-default.conf
> # pulseaudio plugin configuration
>
> pcm.!default {
>     type pulse
> }
>
> ctl.!default {
>     type pulse
> }
>
> It gives you the default for alsa. If you create a ~/.asoundrc
>
> for your needs it will produce the same result.
>
> > I won't go into the problems I'm having with udev in the ordering of
> > video devices for my webcam, and tvcard. that's for another day. All I
> > can say is
> > that pre udev kernels always order the tvcard as /dev/video0, and the
> > webcam
> > as /dev/video1, but it's really hit and miss with kernels that use udev.
> > I've
> > reached the stage where I have 2 desktop icons for Xawtv. 1 pointing
> > to /dev/video0, and the other to /dev/video1. I'm watching the Marx
> > brothers
> > on the TV at the mo, and this sounds like a Marx Bros situation. If one
> > don't
> > work try the other.
>
> You need to create some udev rules:
>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter07/symlinks.html

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