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>    1. Re: a paper I can't find... (Vivek J. Patankar)
>    2. RE: Installing DVD iso (Duncan Berriman)
>    3. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
>    4. Re: OT: are usb flash drives suitable archival media?
>       (Bill Davidsen)
>    5. Re: Installing DVD iso (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
>    6. Re: Installing DVD iso (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
>    7. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Les Mikesell)
>    8. Re: b43: Driver keeps upping CPU % until system freezes for a
>       few seconds? (Kelly Miller)
>    9. Re: Excessive network traffic - (Les Mikesell)
>   10. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Karl Larsen)
>   11. Re: how to share internet connection in fedora (Karl Larsen)
>   12. Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT (Dave Ihnat)
>   13. Re: Installing DVD iso (Todd Zullinger)
>   14. Re: Wanna give me a hand debunking this? (Jeff Spaleta)
>   15. Re: Fonts (Firefox/Windows & Firefox/Linux) (Todd Zullinger)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:09:44 +0530
> From: "Vivek J. Patankar" <vivek patankar gmail com>
> Subject: Re: a paper I can't find...
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B12F0 3070701 gmail com>
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> Mike Chalmers wrote:
> > Years ago there was this paper written by a man who lost his job
> > because he wrote the paper. The paper was an uproar in the Linux
> > community. I cannot remember but I think that the paper was about why
> > Microsoft is wrong, among other things concerning Microsoft.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me where I can find this paper please, it is pretty
> > important that I find it? I know this is the Fedora list, but I don't
> > know where else to post on it where I can get a good response.
>
> What you are referring to are probably the famous "Halloween Documents"
> written by Vinod Valloppillil & Josh Cohen that were leaked from
> Microsoft and ultimately wound up with Eric S Raymond who published
> them. Link below
>
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween
>
> AFAIR, Vinod didn't lose his job because he wrote them. It was an
> assignment of his. He quit MS sometime after they were leaked.
>
> --
> Regards,
> विवेक ज. पाटणकर (Vivek J. Patankar)
>
> Registered Linux User #374218
> Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)
> Linux 2.6.22.4-65.fc7 x86_64
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:43:14 -0000
> From: "Duncan Berriman" <duncan dcl co uk>
> Subject: RE: Installing DVD iso
> To: "'For users of Fedora'" <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <048301c8305c$343433e0$0502a8c0 CPQEVO>
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>
> I installed FC8 using http as I did not have a dvd on the system.
>
> Here is how I did it (may be other ways as this was my first attempt).
>
> Download the full dvd iso.
>
> Then either burn it to a dvd and configure your web server/ftp server to
> allow access to the dvd or copy the files off the dvd to your web
> server/dvd server. Alternatively extract the files directly from the iso to
> a directory on to your web server/ftp server.
>
> Download the Fedora Core 8 Rescue Disk iso image from
> (/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/iso) and burn this on to a CD.
>
> Boot and Install
>
> Boot the server where you want to install FC8 from the Rescue Disk.
>
> When it boots choose Install or upgrade an existing system from the menu.
>
> Select the language and keyboard type from the menu.
>
> You can then choose to install from Local CD/DVD, Hard drive, NFS
> directory, FTP or HTTP
>
> Choose HTTP or FTP as appropriate and fill in the details.
>
> In my case I used Http so I then input just the ip address of my web server
> and the directory containing the unpacked iso image. If you are using a
> service over the internet then you need to target the 'os' directory
> (/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os for instance). I have not
> tried this yet!
>
> You can also use boot.iso (minimal boot) or diskboot.img (usb stick) to
> boot and start the install (These can be found in
> fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/os/images on any mirror.)
>
> Duncan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fedora-list-bounces redhat com
> > [mailto:fedora-list-bounces redhat com] On Behalf Of Bill Davidsen
> > Sent: 26 November 2007 18:51
> > To: For users of Fedora
> > Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso
> >
> > Robert L Cochran wrote:
> > > Right, and you can install over NFS: put the iso image in a
> >
> > directory on
> >
> > > a different Linux machine, export that directory over NFS,
> >
> > and then use
> >
> > > the rescue CD to start the installation with. Specify "NFS
> >
> > image" as the
> >
> > > installation type when you come to that screen.
> >
> > Have you actually /done that/ with anything newser than FC6?
> > Because I
> > posted a while ago here that I couldn't make it work, had
> > verified that
> > both the http and nfs access worked, and a number of people
> > agreed that
> > it hasn't worked recently because it's still trying to find
> > stuff on CD
> > subdirectories of some such.
> >
> > I took the download URLs right from the http server log, ran them on
> > another system, and verified that they worked and gave
> > correct. I tried
> > both the live CD install and the "boot.iso" versions to be sure I had
> > valid boots.
> >
> > > You can do it over ftp too. I haven't done an ftp install
> >
> > in a while
> >
> > > though.
> > >
> > > You can also do it over VNC. I've only done that once and
> >
> > with an early
> >
> > > version of Fedora Core, probably 2 or 3. VNC-based installs seems
> > > unnecssarily complicated to me.
> > >
> > > Why bother burning DVD media, if you can do it over the
> >
> > network or on a
> >
> > > hard drive they way Jeff suggests?
> >
> > Because recently the network install only seems to work if
> > you rsync the
> > whole tree and create a repository.
> >
> > --
> > Bill Davidsen <davidsen tmr com>
> >    "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent
> > than from
> > the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
> >
> > --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:54:04 -0600
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel infinity-ltd com>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B164C 2040809 infinity-ltd com>
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>
> Craig White wrote:
> > great
> >
> > we now have Gene, Frank and Dave as list moms.
> >
> > knock yourselves out guys, you will really be performing a valuable
> > service to the fedora-list by making sure that those who misspell,
> > grammatically fracture the language, etc. are summarily dismissed - even
> > banished from the list if necessary.
> >
> > Craig
>
> Well, I guess you can add me to that list. You seem to be missing
> the point - if you don't communicate clearly, then you are going to
> have a problem getting help, or persuading people to support your
> project. There are a lot of people on this list that will just
> ignore your message if they have to struggle to understand it. By
> this, I don't mean people struggling to write in English
> when it is not their native language.
>
> But sense you feel that clear posting is not necessary, then you
> handle these types of posts. After all, there is no reason they
> should try to reach the largest possible audience, is there?
>
> Mikkel
> --
>
>   Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:12:43 -0500
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen tmr com>
> Subject: Re: OT: are usb flash drives suitable archival media?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B1AAB 1010803 tmr com>
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> Dave Stevens wrote:
> > your thought? tests? reviews?
>
> Since you ask, my current choice is DVD, using the dvdisaster system of
> software assisted error recovery. Nothing is perfect, but a verified DVD
> with software error recovery assist and good storage procedures is about
> is cost effective as anything you would get on a flash drive, and a hell
> of a lot less likely to be accidentally overwritten.
>
> *Note*: unless a copy is stored off-site, it's not a backup it's an
> archive. Think fire, flood, theft, untrusted employee, idiot relative, etc.
>
> --
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen tmr com>
>    "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:05:25 -0600
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel infinity-ltd com>
> Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B18F5 5030008 infinity-ltd com>
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>
> Duncan Berriman wrote:
> > I installed FC8 using http as I did not have a dvd on the system.
> >
> > Here is how I did it (may be other ways as this was my first attempt).
> >
> > Download the full dvd iso.
> >
> > Then either burn it to a dvd and configure your web server/ftp server to
> > allow access to the dvd or copy the files off the dvd to your web
> > server/dvd server. Alternatively extract the files directly from the iso
> > to a directory on to your web server/ftp server.
>
> There is not need to copy the files. You can loop mount the .iso
> image. For example, I created a directory /var/www/html/Fedora and
> used "mount -o loop Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso /var/www/html/Fedora" to
> mount it. This gave access to the entire tree via html.
>
> > Download the Fedora Core 8 Rescue Disk iso image from
> > (/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Fedora/i386/iso) and burn this on to a CD.
>
> After you loop mount the DVD .iso image, you can grab one of the
> images in the images directory. There is a boot.iso and a
> bootdisk.img. I like to use the bootdisk.img on a USB memory drive.
> I have done a couple of installs this way. If you have a fast
> network local, it is faster then a DVD install. Getting the
> information from the hard drive of your server tends to be faster
> then reading a DVD. This is probably not the case when reading a DVD
> mounted on the server.
>
> Mikkel
> --
>
>   Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:10:44 -0600
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel infinity-ltd com>
> Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
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>
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > Robert L Cochran wrote:
> >> Right, and you can install over NFS: put the iso image in a directory
> >> on a different Linux machine, export that directory over NFS, and then
> >> use the rescue CD to start the installation with. Specify "NFS image"
> >> as the installation type when you come to that screen.
> >
> > Have you actually /done that/ with anything newser than FC6? Because I
> > posted a while ago here that I couldn't make it work, had verified that
> > both the http and nfs access worked, and a number of people agreed that
> > it hasn't worked recently because it's still trying to find stuff on CD
> > subdirectories of some such.
> >
> > I took the download URLs right from the http server log, ran them on
> > another system, and verified that they worked and gave correct. I tried
> > both the live CD install and the "boot.iso" versions to be sure I had
> > valid boots.
> >
> >> You can do it over ftp too. I haven't done an ftp install in a while
> >> though.
> >>
> >> You can also do it over VNC. I've only done that once and with an
> >> early version of Fedora Core, probably 2 or 3. VNC-based installs
> >> seems unnecssarily complicated to me.
> >>
> >> Why bother burning DVD media, if you can do it over the network or on
> >> a hard drive they way Jeff suggests?
> >
> > Because recently the network install only seems to work if you rsync the
> > whole tree and create a repository.
>
> I can verify that loop mounting the DVD .iso so that it can be
> served out by your web server, and booting from a memory stick
> formatted with the bootdisk.img works fine. I have not tried the NFS
> or FTP install, or using the .iso file instead of the loop mounted
> tree, but I suspect the serving out the loop mounted .iso would work
> with NFS and FTP just as well as HTML. (I didn't want the memory/CPU
> usage of decoding the .iso image on the system I am installing on.)
>
> Mikkel
> --
>
>   Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:15:15 -0600
> From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell gmail com>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B1B43 3020908 gmail com>
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>
> Dave Ihnat wrote:
> > With over 30 years experience dealing with everything from volunteer
> > communities, employers, consulting, USENET, early Unix development, etc.,
> > through today, I've seen this before and if someone wants to resurrect
> > this tired cliche, it's their choice, but it's important to let people
> > know that it's not universally accepted...the first, second, or Nth time
> > it's espoused.
>
> Whatever happened to Peter Honeyman (of HDB uucp fame in the old
> days...)?  He was avoiding on-line capitalization at least 20 years ago
> in case anyone thinks it's new and trendy.
>
> --
>    Les Mikesell
>     lesmikesell gmail com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:14:45 -0500
> From: Kelly Miller <lightsolphoenix gmail com>
> Subject: Re: b43: Driver keeps upping CPU % until system freezes for a
> 	few seconds?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B1B25 4050102 gmail com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> John W. Linville wrote:
> > Can you further characterize the exact circumstances to recreate
> > this issue?  Have you opened a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
>
> Well, if I could put my finger on an exact cause, I'd be happier.
> However, I can only observe the system crashing and the running
> processes, and I have noticed that the sudden jump in the b43 CPU
> processing percentage is the only really odd thing that happens around
> the crash time (no other process has higher than 2%).  However, the two
> events are not consistent (when I wrote the email, I thought they were;
> but more observation shows that the two may not be related).  I'm still
> searching for a potential cause of the freezing, because the system log
> is empty...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:23:14 -0600
> From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell gmail com>
> Subject: Re: Excessive network traffic -
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B1D22 8060601 gmail com>
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>
> Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > Below is about thirty seconds of data recorded at the RJ45 connector on
> > my Wildblue receiver/modem.  The computer I'm using to test with  is a
> > new F8 installation [192.168.1.10] and I don't know that it does
> > anything F7 didn't do but I see continuous activity, apparently the
> > result of DNS activity, since it is to the Wildblue DNS server on port
> > 53.  Is that normal?  60 bytes doesn't amount to much of a days usage
> > but still it is consuming bw.
> >
> > Bob Goodwin
> >
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:19 2007; UDP; eth1; 63 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:24 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:29 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:34 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:39 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:44 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
> > Mon Nov 26 12:30:49 2007; UDP; eth1; 60 bytes; from 192.168.1.10:32771
> > to 12.189.32.61:53
>
> It's normal if you have some reason to be looking up names.  Try running
> tcpdump or wireshark so you can see more about the request.  It seems
> odd that you don't see any responses coming back.  Does the modem deal
> with the private address/NAT for you?
>
> --
>    Les Mikesell
>     lesmikesell gmail com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:29:08 -0700
> From: Karl Larsen <k5di zianet com>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B1E84 8060302 zianet com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
>
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> > Karl Larsen wrote:
> >>    Well my response is negative. I use Fedora systems because I am a
> >> real booster of the Unix system. I think the many good heads at Bell
> >> Labs that wrote the C compiler language so they could then write Unix
> >> was the basis of a good computer operating system in the far future.
> >
> > The one thing it would have going for it is the native ability to use
> > the ubiquitous vendor-written driver for every device known to man,
> > something fedora goes to extremes to keep you from doing...
> >
> > But, I think at this point in time, emulating 32-bit windows is not
> > worth the effort.  By the time it is completed, it will be about as
> > useful as DOS emulation is now as everything goes 64-bit.  Something
> > that might be nice would be a minimal OS that could use windows
> > drivers and provided just enough services to run virtualbox or a
> > similar virtualization layer.  Then you could run your choice of OS(s)
> > on that, more or less isolated from real hardware and you could either
> > run real windows or wine on linux/*bsd if you wanted to run windows
> > programs.  Or just ignore windows except for being able to use those
> > drivers that came with your hardware purchases.
>
>     Yes a 64 bit free opensource Windows would be something Windows
> people who think would crowd to get it. The Blackhat product they are
> working on is not very interesting if all you get is a free copy of
> Windows XP. There are those that $89.95 plus tax is a huge cost but to
> me it is quite cheap. I just do not care for Windows or DOS. I have one
> head and two arms and legs and turned 72 today :-) Got two books from my
> wife.
>
> --
>
> 	Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
> 	Linux User
> 	#450462   http://counter.li.org.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:38:01 -0700
> From: Karl Larsen <k5di zianet com>
> Subject: Re: how to share internet connection in fedora
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <474B2099 1070606 zianet com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
>
> azeez khan wrote:
> > hi
> > can u plz explain me how to share internet connection in fedora os
> >
> > regards
> > Rahim Khan
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >  Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here.
>
>     In ANY os a cheap user Rooter will do the trick. I have one from
> Logitec that has 3 wired and one WiFi port and cost about $30.00 4 years
> ago. I expect they are cheaper now.
>
>
>
> --
>
> 	Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
> 	Linux User
> 	#450462   http://counter.li.org.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:46:42 -0600
> From: Dave Ihnat <dihnat dminet com>
> Subject: Re: PROJECT BLACKHAT
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <20071126194642 GA18109 dminet com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:15:15PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > Whatever happened to Peter Honeyman (of HDB uucp fame in the old
> > days...)?  He was avoiding on-line capitalization at least 20 years ago
> > in case anyone thinks it's new and trendy.
>
>   http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/honey/
>
> And yes, he appears to still be doing the e.e.cummings thing, although not
> everywhere.  But note the English he uses is more than acceptable.
> (smileyifIdidsmileyswhichIdon't).
>
> Cheers,
> --
> 	Dave Ihnat
> 	President, DMINET Consulting, Inc.
> 	dihnat dminet com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:09 -0500
> From: Todd Zullinger <tmz pobox com>
> Subject: Re: Installing DVD iso
> To: fedora-list redhat com
> Message-ID: <20071126193309 GK8224 psilocybe teonanacatl org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > Robert L Cochran wrote:
> >> Right, and you can install over NFS: put the iso image in a
> >> directory on a different Linux machine, export that directory over
> >> NFS, and then use the rescue CD to start the installation with.
> >> Specify "NFS image" as the installation type when you come to that
> >> screen.
> >
> > Have you actually /done that/ with anything newser than FC6? Because
> > I posted a while ago here that I couldn't make it work, had verified
> > that both the http and nfs access worked, and a number of people
> > agreed that it hasn't worked recently because it's still trying to
> > find stuff on CD subdirectories of some such.
>
> I installed F8 using this method just a week or so ago.  I am pretty
> sure I did the same thing with F7 too.  I can't recall the last time I
> actually burned media to do an install for myself.
>
> If you have specific errors from attempting this, post them.  Perhaps
> there's a bug others haven't run across or there could be something
> you're getting wrong.
>
> I do notice one difference in how I've done this that may be
> important.  I don't use the rescue cd to boot the install.  Instead, I
> copy the initrd.img and vmlinux files from images/pxeboot in the DVD
> iso (or from the web, whichever you prefer) to /boot and make an entry
> in the grub config for "Fedora $Version Installer."
>
> I did this for F8 and likely F7.  It's been a while since I bothered
> burning even the boot.iso to kick off an install.
>
> > Because recently the network install only seems to work if you rsync
> > the whole tree and create a repository.
>
> Definitely not so.  Hopefully the problems you've run into can be
> looked at and solved, so you don't have to resort to actually burning
> discs. :)
>
> --
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:25 -0900
> From: "Jeff Spaleta" <jspaleta gmail com>
> Subject: Re: Wanna give me a hand debunking this?
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list redhat com>
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> On Nov 24, 2007 8:07 AM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell gmail com> wrote:
> > A better way to find what Red Hat considers fedora to be suitable for
> > might be to ask where they use it themselves.  Is there a single public
> > facing server managed by Red Hat that runs fedora?
>
> There is more than code quality that goes into determining the
> operating system to use in a production environment.  Fedora's stated
> lifetime policy and rate of technical advancement has to be weighted
> against other distribution choices in the Fedora derived ecosystem
> which move more slowly.  The release cycle and updating policy of the
> Fedora distribution are not necessarily the most attractive elements
> for use in production systems.  No one denies this.
>
> For production systems, for which Fedora distribution's lifetime
> policy is ill-fitted, the Fedora Project does sponsor the EPEL project
> for contributors who want to target extending the enterprise systems
> in the Fedora ecosystem.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
>
> I personally would consider systems making use of EPEL as systems
> which make use of Fedora directly.  If you are not familiar with how
> EPEL works, please read over the links at the EPEL wikipage at the
> Fedora Project wiki.  It's perfectly acceptable to contribute to the
> Fedora project by contributing to EPEL without having to run the
> Fedora distribution.
>
> -jef
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:13:47 -0500
> From: Todd Zullinger <tmz pobox com>
> Subject: Re: Fonts (Firefox/Windows & Firefox/Linux)
> To: fedora-list redhat com
> Message-ID: <20071126201347 GL8224 psilocybe teonanacatl org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Jorge Fábregas wrote:
> > The look nice (better than mine) but the fonts on your previous
> > screenshot look better!  Please send me a screenshot of your firefox
> > font settings. I will really appreciate it!
>
> Sorry for the delay Jorge.  Screenshots of the firefox settings I used
> in the screenshots you liked are here:
>
> http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/firefox-font-prefs.png
> http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/firefox-font-prefs-advanced.png
>
> The gnome font settings I've got are:
>
> http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/gnome-font-prefs.png
> http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/gnome-font-prefs-details.png
>
> > I've been dealing with these font issues for days now :(  and I
> > thought the freetype-freeworld package was the panacea (having the
> > bytecode interpreter enabled) but I see there are more things to
> > consider...
>
> I don't have that installed at all, so I'm not sure how much you gain
> by having the bytecode interpreter and subpixel rendering options
> enabled in freetype.




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