[rhn-users] internet configuration
Sammy Msafiri
sammy at somak-nairobi.com
Fri Sep 1 07:34:41 UTC 2006
Hi Michael,
Thank you very much for the info. My apologies to the RHN users.
But I always believe a more soft approach in correcting the misplaced
Questions and a litle advice as to where to go, like what some have
suggested would have saved the day.
I believe a good teacher does not leave a school because a new student
Has walked into a wrong class room. But he should advice the student
Accordingly and continue with his class.
I salute all gurus out there who provide valuable solutions to all sort
of problems to newbies in the class. We need you all, please do not
abandon the class. That's the only way knowledge is passed on and
advanced to the new and future generations.
Be blessed.
Sammy.
-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Mansour, Michael
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:07 AM
To: Red Hat Network Users List
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] internet configuration
Hi Sammy,
The Red Hat Network (RHN) is a system (and software) which allows you to
update and patch your Red Hat Enterprise Linux installations throughout
an computing environment.
The important distinction here is that the Red Hat Network is *not* Red
Hat Linux nor Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The Red Hat Network actually
runs with an Oracle database backend and a Web front end.
When you pay for your Red Hat Enterprise Linux subscriptions, you get an
RHN account which you can use to update your Red Hat Linux servers
and/or workstations.
You can even purchase the Red Hat Satellite Server and/or Red Hat
Satellite Proxy servers, to enable local enterprise grade upgrades of
your Red Hat Linux servers/workstations.
This mailing list is dedicated to queries / problems with the use of the
Red Hat Network. Anything else is just noise and is better suited to
other RH mailing lists.
I joined this list to help people with RHN, as I know a lot about it,
I've done the expensive training, and I may even need help myself one
day. But I found that the majority of emails here are unrelated to RHN.
This has been discussed before and some of the "Big Guns" (eg. Dag
Wieers) in the Linux world who also subscribe to this list have
considered leaving it because of this "noise".
I've never tried to be rude or harsh or criticise anyone, but if this
list loses the knowledgeable people that joined it for the sole reason
of helping others with RHN issues, then this will become totally
worthless.
Regards,
Michael.
-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Sammy Msafiri
Sent: Monday, 1 September 2008 4:43 PM
To: 'Red Hat Network Users List'
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] internet configuration
Hi Michael,
What exactly are we requred to post in this forum.
So I don't repeat the mistake again. If did make I a mistake?
Thanks.
Sammy
-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Mansour, Michael
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:56 AM
To: gforte at udel.edu; Red Hat Network Users List
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] internet configuration
Hi Greg,
I don't agree with you. This list should NOT be considered a general Red
Hat list. If things can't stay on topic then people like me who wish to
**HELP people with RHN-related issues** will just unsubscribe.
You're entitled to your opinion but this is not an anarchy. Red Hat
didn't intend this list to be general Red Hat related list, Red Hat
intended it to be RHN related. The fact is, if queries are unrelated,
they belong in other lists.
Regards,
Michael.
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Forte [mailto:gforte at leopard.us.udel.edu]
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 11:42 AM
To: Red Hat Network Users List
Cc: Mansour, Michael
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] internet configuration
Too many Michaels! And it's so savagely ironic that the worst OT
threads are always the ones about how much OT crap is floating around on
a list (any list, not just this list).
> I can't see their direct email addresses
strange, I see the sender's address in the "From:" header on every list
message I receive. Granted, my mail client (and probably yours) doesn't
seem to want to let me reply to them directly, but surely a few extra
clicks aren't going to take that much time out of your busy OT-policing
schedule.
> There comes a point when people get sick of receiving emails unrelated
> to the subscribed email list. It's a waste of time and resources ...
Yes, and the only thing more people-sickening and time/resource-wasting
is when someone takes it upon themselves to point out, to the list,
every time someone else's post is off-topic. Besides which, it wasn't
so much the fact that you said it as that you sent FOUR CONSECUTIVE
MESSAGES saying the same thing to four different people. You could've
at least condensed them. Nor was there any helpful content, not even a
quick explanation as to why the posts were OT, or pointers to more
appropriate lists. Your complaint boils down to signal-to-noise ratio,
but you were lowering it further! ;-) And, yes, I realize I'm doing it
too, but you already opened this proverbial can o' worms.
I also found it annoying when I first subscribed to this list that there
were so many seemingly OT questions. But then I got over it. And also
realized that, hey, this may not be the MOST appropriate list for many
of these questions, but this IS a redhat-related, fairly general list
(it's become general, even if it wasn't intended as such), and there's a
lot of redhat users on it that know a thing or two and can answer these
questions - so why shouldn't we? Is compartmentalization and taxonomic
classification THAT much more important than exchanging info and
answering questions? Not in my mind. Anyway, it's not like this is a
Windows forum, or a motorcycle repair list. At least they're CLOSE.
My $.02, adjusted for inflation
-g
Michael Dittbrenner wrote:
> Well i guess yours were off topic tellioing they were off topic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mansour, Michael" <michael.mansour at hp.com>
> To: "Red Hat Network Users List" <rhn-users at redhat.com>
> Sent: 8/31/2006 8:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] internet configuration
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> My posts were not off-topic, the posts of the users were.
>
> There comes a point when people get sick of receiving emails unrelated
> to the subscribed email list. It's a waste of time and resources when
> other lists related to the queries in question exist and can better
> help the requestor.
>
> This has been discussed before, and others have also voiced their
> concerns that people "just aren't getting it".
>
> If you have a better way of informing people this list is for RHN-only
>
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>
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