[Thincrust-devel] Some notes from the SPIN SIG meeting
David Huff
dhuff at redhat.com
Tue Jun 10 20:48:58 UTC 2008
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| [14:19] kwizart | %pre
| [14:19] kwizart | mkdir -p /etc/rpm
| [14:19] kwizart | echo "%_install_langs en:fr:fr_FR:fr-FR" >
| /etc/rpm/macros.lang
|
|
| [14:31] d3vice | spins that link fedora official repos and
other 3rd
| party repos would be ruled out by spins.fp.org ?
| [14:31] kanarip | sure, shoot
| [14:31] kanarip | yes
| [14:31] kwizart | !
|
| [14:36] jwb | there are two big issues with "update" spins
| [14:36] kwizart | disabled
| [14:36] jwb | 1) you have to generate a separate source iso for
| them
| [14:36] jwb | 2) QA and testing effort is decreased (somewhat)
| because you aren't using the Gold bits
| [14:37] kanarip | there's 3 too...
| [14:37] kanarip | 3) where does it end?
| [14:37] jwb | ah, that too :)
|
|
| [14:37] kwizart | well updating with yum cosume lot of "persistance"
| [14:37] kanarip | or do we only update for security exploits? in
the
| kernel? ssl? ekiga?
|
| IDEA what about a nightly spin? if you want lates and greates use it
else use the GOLD tested spin
|
|
| [14:58] kanarip | so, one piece of advise to the spin maintainers /
| initiators; thou shall request commit access at
| https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitspin-kickstarts
|
|
|
| [14:59] d3vice | err... dumb question, if my status is
approved, does
| it mean I have commit access?
| [15:00] kanarip | d3vice, yes
| [15:00] d3vice | ohh, ok
| [15:00] * | d3vice reads git manual
| [15:00] kanarip | d3vice, the .git/config file should have
| ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts.git
| [15:00] d3vice | cool, thanks
| [15:01] kanarip | d3vice, if you initially cloned the repository
with
| git clone git://, it'll have the wrong URL in [remote
"origin"] in
| .git/config
|
| [15:03] huff | I wanted to see if there were any comments on a
| applinace/minimal fedora spin
| [15:04] d3vice | aos?
| [15:04] huff | yea
| [15:04] kanarip | you could do with less of what is being installed
| now, i guess
| [15:04] d3vice | i read your mail, i think its interesting
| [15:05] d3vice | i'll follow up on it, we'll keep in touch through
| the ml
| [15:05] huff | sounds good
| [15:05] kanarip | huff, have you read my reply as well?
| [15:05] huff | yea
| [15:05] --> | fraggle_
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| [15:06] huff | lets keep the conversation going i think that
other
| may benifit from it as well
| [15:06] d3vice | sure!
| [15:06] kanarip | cool
| [15:06] kanarip | i just see your reply ;-)
| [15:06] huff | and I may submit a ks on this
| [15:06] kanarip | that's cool
| [15:07] ChitleshGoor | am I notify if someone modify the FEL ks ?
| [15:07] kanarip | you will not be notified yet, if someone else
edits
| the FEL ks
| [15:07] kanarip | by lack of a mailing list where we can all
hang out
| and read eachother's commits
| [15:07] ChitleshGoor | oki
| [15:08] d3vice | huff: is it meant to work with cobbler»
| [15:08] huff | d3vice: it will
| [15:08] d3vice | nice!
| [15:08] huff | we are also using a version of livecd-creator
that
| will spit out a partitioned raw disk image
| [15:09] huff | that can be booted in xen or kvm
| [15:09] d3vice | lamp appliances too?
| [15:10] huff | we are thinking that maybe donw the road we
have a
| LAMP aos and maybe a JAVA aos
| [15:10] huff | for building appliances ontop of
| [15:10] huff | i dont think they will be spis
| [15:10] huff | spins
| [15:10] d3vice | i used to play with rpath doing this stuff, great!
| [15:10] huff | maybe
| [15:11] huff | d3vice: check out thincrust.org
| [15:11] kanarip | hey, that's a revisor use-case ;-)
| [15:11] huff | some of the stuff we are working on
| [15:11] kanarip | spitting out raw disks, that is
| [15:11] «Nick» | knurd is now known as knurd_afk
| [15:12] d3vice | huff: so you are not thinking of those as
| livecd/dvds?
| [15:12] huff | they can be...
| [15:12] «Quit» | kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has signed off
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| [15:13] --> | EvilBob
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| [15:13] d3vice | ok
| [15:13] bk | d3vice: ideally... spins delivered as
appliances as
| well as livecds
| [15:13] huff | exactly
| [15:14] huff | importain thing beening we start to have an
| consistant fedora applinace "feel"
| [15:21] d3vice | so, the important thing now is to build a good
| base.ks file to start building appliances on top of that?
| [15:21] huff | thats what I was thinking
| [15:23] huff | My hope is that this will evolve into the
standard
| base that anyone wanted a fedora apliance will use
| [15:28] huff | anyway, I just wanted to see if there were any
| comments on this... feel free to respond to the ml thread if
there
| are
| [15:28] d3vice | i'm all for it, are you thinking of release a .ks
| file by "merging" those files in the url you sent in the mail?
| [15:29] d3vice | *releasing
| [15:30] huff | yea as a first cut of an aos definiation
| [15:31] d3vice | ok, i'll be looking forward to it
| [15:33] huff | kanarip: anythign else you wanted to discuss
| [15:33] kanarip | no, not really
| [15:34] «Quit» | ChitleshGoorah (n=chitlesh at fedora/ChitleshGoorah)
| has signed off (Remote closed the connection)
| [15:34] kanarip | i'm gonna want my raw disk use-case for revisor
| tested ;-)
| [15:34] kanarip | since you can skip @core all together with
revisor
| and really, exactly specify the package payload
| [15:35] huff | i thought revisor just used livcecd creator under
| the covers
| [15:35] huff | and did not have suppor tfor raw diskss
| [15:35] kanarip | we might have lost it since we switched to the
more
| recent livecd-tools, that's true
| [15:36] huff | it may hook in to virt-install to create xen
images
| [15:36] kanarip | virt-install however requires the host
composing to
| run xen
| [15:37] bk | kanarip: what is that use case?
| [15:37] kanarip | which isn't necessarily a problem, but revisor is
| more efficient in composing the installation tree you could
use to
| cobbler/koan/provision a xen guest
| [15:37] kanarip | bk, revisor spitting out raw disks for
xen/qemu(-kvm)
| [15:40] bk | kanarip: so.. no partitions
| [15:40] kanarip | no nothing yet
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| [15:49] d3vice | i'm off, thanks for the meeting
| [15:50] kanarip | thanks d3vice
| [15:50] «Quit» | d3vice (n=pedro at a213-22-207-230.cpe.netcabo.pt)
| has signed off ("Ex-Chat")
| [15:50] kanarip | huff, bk, if you have some time i'd like you
to look
| at revisor and tell me what you think
| [15:51] huff | kanarip: will do I played with it a wile back but
| ill take a look
| [15:51] kanarip | with --kickstart-exact (and thus no @base and no
| @core) you have just a little less default to start out with
| [15:52] kanarip | the CLI (and config files) is way more
powerful then
| the GUI
| [15:52] bk | how does revisor relate to livecd?
| [15:52] kanarip | for livecd creation, it uses livecd-tools heavily
| [15:52] kanarip | that is, for >= F-9
| [15:53] --> | kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has joined
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| [15:53] kanarip | it just has a different program flow (first
resolve
| dependencies then create a filesystem off of what the RPMs
| require, instead of create a filesystem then try to fit the
RPMs
| in there)
| [15:55] kanarip | there's a virtualization media module laying
around
| in GIT waiting for me to give it some love...
| [15:55] kanarip | which is supposed to be able to do the
| xen/qemu{-kvm} images
| [15:55] bk | i am lookin gat the site
| [15:56] bk | trying to see what it does in addition to live-cd
| [15:56] kanarip | http://fedorahosted.org/revisor has the most
| information
| [15:56] bk | ahh.. Iwas at unity
| [15:56] kanarip |
|
https://fedorahosted.org/revisor/attachment/wiki/Presentations/LinuxTag%20-%20Customizing%20Fedora.pdf
as well has a little something on the differences
| [15:57] «Nick» | iWolf_ is now known as iWolf
| [15:57] bk | will check it out
| [15:57] kanarip | cool
| [15:57] kanarip | let me know what you think
| [15:57] kanarip | i love to move forward on things, in general ;-)
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